Vote the Diary

[MayBea]

I recognize the name of Robert Smith who's the owner of the Diary. But who's Tim Martin-Wright? Is he one of the Battlecrease electricians?

Does the Old Hoax theory even need the Diary to have come out of Battlecrease during renovations?

[Graham]

I recognize the name of Robert Smith who's the owner of the Diary. But who's Tim Martin-Wright? Is he one of the Battlecrease electricians?

Does the Old Hoax theory even need the Diary to have come out of Battlecrease during renovations?

Google "Timothy Martin Wright Liverpool", then open the Google Book site "The Diary Of Jack The Ripper" and all will be revealed.

Graham

[pinkmoon]

I honestly believe the diary was removed from battlecrease by workmen and then ended up in Mr Barrett s hands.When you do a timeline of events the only connection Mr Barrett has with battlecrease is by drinking in the saddlers pub with the workmen from battlecrease.

[MayBea]

Google "Timothy Martin Wright Liverpool", then open the Google Book site "The Diary Of Jack The Ripper" and all will be revealed.

Thanks, Graham, but Shirley Harrison's book presently has no preview on Google Books, not even a snippet.

Martin-Wright comes up as an importer living on Aigburth so I'm assuming he's the owner or former owner of Battlecrease during the renovations. What could he say other than there were workers in the house pulling out walls and pulling up boards?

Up to now, we only have proof, by way of the letter by Florence's mother, that items were stolen from the Maybrick home during the Trial.

[Livia]

Tim Martin-Wright lived in Aigburth, but not in Battlecrease.
Paul Dodd's family has owned Battlecrease since the
early 1940s.

Mr Martin-Wright was the owner of a home security
and electrical service. One of his employees told
Robert Smith and his lawyer that in the fall of '91
a customer told the employee about his colleague,
an electrician who while working at Battlecrease,
found a biscuit tin containing a leather bound diary
and a gold ring under the floorboards.

The employee suggested to the customer that he show
the diary to Mr Martin-Wright as he was a collector
of antique books and a price of £25 was mentioned.
But the customer did not have possession of the diary
and wasn't the electrician who had worked at Battlecrease.
Mr Martin-Wright confirmed the date of late fall 1991
for these events as he had opened his shop in October
of that year and it was a month or two after the opening.

The employee later heard that the diary had been sold in
a pub in Anfield.

Shirley Harrison spoke to the customer who referred her
to another colleague of the electrician who had been at
Battlecrease the day something was found under the floor.
He said there was something found, but according to a
memo book he kept, his crew worked in Battlecrease in
June of 1992, too late to have been the diary. Paul Dodd
confirmed that storage heaters had been installed in Maybrick's
bedroom in late summer of 1991, but he had done all the
prep work.

The 2010 Kindle edition, "The Diary of Jack the Ripper:
The Chilling Confessions of James Maybrick" is available
at Amazon for $4.99.

[Graham]

Thanks, Graham, but Shirley Harrison's book presently has no preview on Google Books, not even a snippet.

Martin-Wright comes up as an importer living on Aigburth so I'm assuming he's the owner or former owner of Battlecrease during the renovations. What could he say other than there were workers in the house pulling out walls and pulling up boards?

Up to now, we only have proof, by way of the letter by Florence's mother, that items were stolen from the Maybrick home during the Trial.

Hi MB,

Strange, but I was taken direct to the relevant pages of Shirley's book, outlining in detail the information Livia posted. Odd.

Graham

[caz]

Does the Old Hoax theory even need the Diary to have come out of Battlecrease during renovations?

What a strange question, MayBea.

What does 'need' have to do with establishing where the diary really came from and where it didn't? It is what it is, and it was where it was. A theory can't change that and shouldn't want or need to.

Of course, the modern hoax conspiracy theory needs Keith's Battlecrease evidence like a hole in the head.

Love,

Caz
X

[Kaz]

Of course, the modern hoax conspiracy theory needs Keith's Battlecrease evidence like a hole in the head.

Love,

Caz
X

Can I see this evidence? I can't find this chap, 'Keith'

[MayBea]

...Of course, the modern hoax conspiracy theory needs Keith's Battlecrease evidence like a hole in the head.

Of course, if you're looking for a forger who knows about ion migration and has a good recipe for baking diaries, not to mention a good ink recipe, look no further than an electrician with a tin of biscuits!

[pinkmoon]

In all probability the diary came out of battlecrease shortly before Mr Barrett launched it onto the unsuspecting public.In what form the diary was we do not know and when the diary was put into battlecrease we do not know.The problem we now have is because of the police investigations the people who can tell us what happend won't talk for obvious reasons.

[GUT]

G'day Pinkmoon

They could talk their heads off if the diary was genuine and they were telling the truth.

[pinkmoon]

They could talk their heads off if the diary was genuine and they were telling the truth.

Hi gut,if the diary was removed from battlecrease without the owner of battlecreases permission than in the eyes of the law it is stolen as simple as that.

[GUT]

G'day Pinkmoon

I was clearly thinking of a different group of people than you.

In particular I was thinking of the family, sorry for the confusion.

[pinkmoon]

I was clearly thinking of a different group of people than you.

In particular I was thinking of the family, sorry for the confusion.

Hi gut,if Mr Barrett stole it from someone who had stolen it wouldn't that explain all the lies.

[Cogidubnus]

Ay, Ay watch it!

I can't get excited about the diary, but I've a hunch, (nothing more), it may be an older forgery than many people think, and as such, it would be great if it came out of Battlecrease...and yet the owner is adamant that HE had the floorboards up before the electricians came, and there was nothing there then...he's a chap who's already co-operated well beyond reasonable bounds and has no apparent reason to lie or obfuscate...so I'm afraid it becomes increasingly unlikely...

I suppose it remains possible the book could've been tucked away behind some obscure piece of panelling or something, or could have come out of the house before the current owner bought it...but it does seem, (to me at least), rather less likely as time goes by...

Shame...I rather like the idea of a slightly dodgy scouser buying it in a pub off another slightly dodgy scouser...having known a few, (sorry Chris George - present company excepted), it's so archetypically satisfying!

All the best

Dave