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Graham are you completely unfamiliar with the idea of a motive festering beneath the surface. Why do you think every crime needs to be so neat and tidy. Tell me Jack The Rippers motive?
I think he just liked killing people - not unknown, HS.

But then Jack The Ripper was probably not an educated, quiet, middle-aged chess-player and part-time college lecturer.

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Hemmerde suggested Wallace could have easily talked to a Prudential Agent of the Calderstones area and found MGE did not exist. However, to the latter, Wallace only replied "It was not necessary" rather than "It was too late" etc.
Even if he was not breaching Prudential guidelines, I imagine Wallace felt a bit concerned that he was cutting across the local Prudential Agent by making the visit, so I can understand Wallace's reluctance to contact him.
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Even if he was not breaching Prudential guidelines, I imagine Wallace felt a bit concerned that he was cutting across the local Prudential Agent by making the visit, so I can understand Wallace's reluctance to contact him.
Not quite right. "it was not necessary" because...
OLIVER KC: Would he have any right to have business in such a district as Menlove Gardens ?
CREWE; Every right.

OLIVER KC: Just tell us why that would be right ?
CREWE: Because he is only restricted to his own area for industrial premiums, that is weekly premiums ; for any other class of business he can go where he likes.

OLIVER KC: You mean for such a thing as a proposal for an endowment policy ?
CREWE: Yes, he can go where he likes.
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Hi Herlock - aided by Cobalt's admirable direction, you have reached a good place.

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a remarkable document, from a gentler, more reflective, pre-internet era.
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I think he just liked killing people - not unknown, HS.

But then Jack The Ripper was probably not an educated, quiet, middle-aged chess-player and part-time college lecturer.

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But he might have been a 31 year old university educated barrister and schoolteacher Graham

I agree that we don’t have an obvious motive but that can’t discount one that only surfaced when William and Julia we’re together. Or it might even have been some growing resentment that built up inside William that Julia knew nothing about?
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I suggest that, as this thread was started by Antony, that he might want to lead the discussion/debate? We tend to jump from one aspect of the case to another. Antony could select an aspectmof the case, lead the discussion, and decide when to move on? We have to accept that we will probably come to an ‘agree to disagree’ point on most aspects.

I’ll leave it with Antony and other posters.
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But he might have been a 31 year old university educated barrister and schoolteacher Graham:
Might have been, but it wasn't.

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I agree that we don’t have an obvious motive but that can’t discount one that only surfaced when William and Julia we’re together. Or it might even have been some growing resentment that built up inside William that Julia knew nothing about?
If every couple in a long-term yet not always blissfully happy marriage decided to settle matters once and for all with a coal-chopper or whatever, then I would personally be a rather concerned husband of 47 years. Obviously, we don't know what went on behind the scenes in the Wallaces' marriage, but apart from a comment or two by their neighbours I don't recall reading that they were at each other hammer-and-tongs. I do recall reading somewhere that it was speculated by someone that Wallace may have been jealous of his wife, as it seems she was somewhat more accomplished in many areas than he. But would that be a reason for him to bludgeon her to death? I somehow don't think so....but one never knows.

Has it ever been discovered that in Wallace's past he had demonstrated a tendency towards violence?

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Has it ever been discovered that in Wallace's past he had demonstrated a tendency towards violence?
Possibly...

"he was fond of football, cricket and other sports in his youth..."
J.T. Ferguson (a boyhood friend of Wallace), 1931

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Great question.

Wallace told the police about the maid almost as soon as he was questioned. In this post-Victorian era, men still did not do any housework. It is possible he was clueless, especially about the bar in the parlour which was for cleaning only. Kitchen poker less so, I would say.

Of course, Wallace could have used a spanner* but fiendishly disposed of both poker and bar on the Monday and hoped the charwoman would discover they were missing to create a brilliant red herring... There's a novelist in me yet!

Parry and 21 birthdays.... a bit of a coincidence, isn't it?

* He suggested this might have been the implement in his John Bull articles. And just to show we all have a sense of humour: Wallace gave the spanner to Parkes!
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He may not have done housework but he would have known what tools were in his house. This was not a big house with lots of kids who sometimes take and lose things like tools. It was a small seemingly well maintained house with basically just him another adult and there maid with frequent access. Also were not talking about brushes and rags here... but large heavy tools. He would have known about them. And that he plays dum, leaves it to the maid to bring it up, or not, and then later says something else might have been used when its obvious that the bar and or poker were the murder weapons is big red flag for me.


As is the major coincidence of parry and q both mentioning the 21 year old party... way too much of the coincidence. What are the chances?!?!?I can see parry slipping up when pushed to call back.

But with much in the case theres stuff on either side that dont make any sense its a conundrum for sure.
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