Sam Flynn: The "proven" reason(s) to be present - e.g. visiting mum, being 0.6 miles away from a former place of work - are speculative, and even the "work-trek" argument collapses in respect of Chapman if she really was killed at sun-up.
[color="DarkRed"]Proven reasons to have been present at a site must always be "speculative". They are not proof that a person was in place, but instead that he had a logical reason to be. The concept is a simple one to understand once you put your mind to it.
Therefore the original term "proven reasons" used is incorrect is it not?
I didn't recall you asking for a name. But, now that you mention it, here's a list of all the men, aged between 30 and 55, admitted to Whitechapel Infirmary with some kind of mental illness ("lunacy", "mania" etc) through 1888 to January 1889:
Solomon de Groot
William Adam Cullen
Robert Henry Miller
Frederick J Davis
Thomas John Newton
That's 38 in total... and, of course, those are just the "lunatics" who were "caught", so to speak; God knows how many others there were out there undiagnosed. Besides, as we know, we may not be looking for a "lunatic" at all, and the Ripper might have been a little younger than 30. But it's a start.
And for whom of these non-starters does it apply that they were either found at one or all of the murder sites or that they had reason to visit all the sites? Reason not meaning that they lived in Whitechapel but instead that they had some sort of tie to the specific murder spot that went beyond simply living there.
Aaaaand THERE goes you argument! Poof!!! There was no substance in it at all, the only connection there ever was between the murder site and these men is that they were at some time admitted to a Whitechapel infirmary. How totally predictable - and pathetic de luxe.
You know, after having demolished your so called point like this, it will feel a lot easier to leave the thread so that Steve does not have to suffer any further resentement. Not that he hasn´t joined the discussion himself, but anyway. I aim to please.
My Last post here was nearly 200 posts ago.
Unfortunatley there is always a tendency for those on a mission to take over threads, this has gone to look at Eddowes and Mitre Square. Not related in any serious way to the title of the thread
How do we know they're non-starters? The Ripper could be right there among them, staring us in the face; I doubt it, statistically, but you never know.
does it apply that they were either found at one or all of the murder sites
Cross wasn't "found" at a murder site either, never mind all of them.
or that they had reason to visit all the sites?
These people lived in the middle of Whitechapel, for God's sake!!! They don't need any of us to make up reasons for their being there, because they were there already - and not just them, either, but thousands upon thousands of other local males who weren't maniacs/lunatics.