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Old 11-25-2014, 12:10 PM
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His personal radio came a few years later. Marconi was minding his own business when he got a message "Put the kettle on at the station, Sarge." Made him jump out of his skin.
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Old 11-25-2014, 02:30 PM
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Hello Bunny, Rob, Neil. Perhaps they were Ed's, but from a later time? Then, family lore being such as it is, they became more "interesting"?

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Old 11-25-2014, 07:56 PM
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Perhaps they were Ed's, but from a later time? Then, family lore being such as it is, they became more "interesting"?
Hi Lynn.

That's a distinct possibility. I wondered that about the whistle. Errors in the dating and identification of family antiques are incredibly common; I see it all the time.

It doesn't usually derive from an effort to make things "more interesting", but just from family members honestly confusing old family stories with old family possessions.

Most people don't write down family history, stories, trivia, anecdotes, etc. So as the items pass from one generation to the next it's like a whispering game, and things become garbled. This confusion often happens in the span of just one generation, and it never ceases to me.

It's very common for more obscure items to lose their identity completely and be tossed out or donated. Sometimes people know "something" in the family was supposed to be special but they get muddled about which one it was, and accidentally let the truly valuable item go.

Does anybody what the rules were about constables keeping their official gear such as truncheons, etc?

Were they free to keep their duty items when they retired, or were they viewed as the official property of the department to be turned back in upon leaving the force?

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Old 11-25-2014, 09:46 PM
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The article doesn't say he had these items the night he found Eddowes' body but that they are items "which belonged to PC Edward Watkins". Having been with the police for some 25 years, it could have been one of his last notebooks, whistle, etc.

RE would have said he did the same with his truncheon Simpson did with the shawl, offer it to his wife. LOL

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Old 11-26-2014, 02:18 AM
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Hi Hercule

The BBC link has the auctioneer saying that the items may have been physically only yards from the Ripper.

The Northampton newspaper says that the items were carried by Watkins on the night he discovered the body.

Certainly the whistle could not have been carried by Watkins on the night of the murder, since he had not yet been issued with it.

Of course it could be his whistle, maybe the one he was given in 1889.
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Old 11-26-2014, 03:15 AM
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Hello Bunny. Thanks.

Actually, a few years back someone started a thread showing PC Watkins's belongings but with name engraved. It was supposed to show he was the ripper. (heh-heh)

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Hello Bunny. Thanks.

Actually, a few years back someone started a thread showing PC Watkins's belongings but with name engraved. It was supposed to show he was the ripper. (heh-heh)

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Old 11-26-2014, 05:19 AM
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Watkins supposed truncheon posted a while back.

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Old 11-26-2014, 05:40 AM
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Hello Neil. Thanks.

Yup, that's it. Now, perhaps we can get a DNA match? (heh-heh) But beware 314.1C--might be a private global mutation. (heh-heh)

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Didn't get whistles to 1889, Robert.
If that is the case, how does one explain the below?

"In accordance with instructions given to all the police in the district, the constable did not move, but blew his whistle for assistance" (Times, 11 September 1888).

"One of the constables blew a whistle. Several policemen immediately came on the spot" (Evening News, 1 October 1888).
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