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Old 06-30-2018, 08:37 PM
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Default If Mrs. Maxwell Didn't See Mary Who Did She See?

I was just rereading Mrs. Maxwell's statement about meeting Mary that morning and this question occurred to me. How hard could it have been for the police to find out the woman she spoke to if it was not Mary? I would have to think that if not Mary it would have to have been someone from the lodging house or perhaps a friend of someone in the lodging house that she had seen on a few occasions or someone in the immediate vicinity of the lodging house. It seems a bit strange that the police couldn't make a determination as to whom she had actually been speaking.

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Old 06-30-2018, 09:22 PM
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I was just rereading Mrs. Maxwell's statement about meeting Mary that morning and this question occurred to me. How hard could it have been for the police to find out the woman she spoke to if it was not Mary? I would have to think that if not Mary it would have to have been someone from the lodging house or perhaps a friend of someone in the lodging house that she had seen on a few occasions or someone in the immediate vicinity of the lodging house. It seems a bit strange that the police couldn't make a determination as to whom she had actually been speaking.

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Well the one she said she spoke to was apparently dead so she coudnt corroberate it. But i see what you mean re other means. My personal opinion is that maxwell spoke to someone whom she thought was mary. Maybe one of her freinds that she was known to let crash?
I just think that timing wise its just way too tight for her to be killed in the morning light.
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:42 AM
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Hi,
Mrs Maxwell had ample time to realise any mistake before the inquest, or even at the inquest, but never did,
I would say, if it is a fact that Kelly was killed before 8.am. then the reason she
told her story was that she was lying,. not a honest mistake,
We can draw all kinds of sinister motives for this.. especially the Norfolk letter , giving Maxwell's address.
'Was she given someone an alibi?..Someone who never had one for the night hours , but could be vouched for after 8.am.
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Old 07-01-2018, 03:10 AM
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Mrs Maxwell had ample time to realise any mistake before the inquest, or even at the inquest, but never did,
I would say, if it is a fact that Kelly was killed before 8.am. then the reason she
told her story was that she was lying,. not a honest mistake,
We can draw all kinds of sinister motives for this.. especially the Norfolk letter , giving Maxwell's address.
'Was she given someone an alibi?..Someone who never had one for the night hours , but could be vouched for after 8.am.
Regards Richard.
Yes, this is something I believe is a strong possibility. Even if it was, for whatever reason an alibi just to exonerate somebody who may not have been the murderer but perhaps couldn't account for their movements.
I know he has been discussed before but is Henry Maxwell a possible candidate for the ripper? Especially with the timing of his death. Even if he wasn't Jack he could have excused himself for a couple of hours during the night, innocently, whilst Mrs Maxwell watched Crosshinghams IE Had a sleep at home and she gave him an alibi. I have often wondered if he was the man stood outside Crossinghams keeping an eye on the court for Mcarthy, for an extra shilling seen by Sarah Lewis.
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She also said that Mary had told her that she’d just been to The Britannia for a drink. I can’t recall if this was checked out. Mary would most likely have been known there and it’s unlikely that the pub would have been ‘packed to the rafters’ before 8 am.

Guys I’m behind here, apologies, what was the Norfolk Letter?
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She also said that Mary had told her that she’d just been to The Britannia for a drink. I can’t recall if this was checked out. Mary would most likely have been known there and it’s unlikely that the pub would have been ‘packed to the rafters’ before 8 am.

Guys I’m behind here, apologies, what was the Norfolk Letter?
A letter to police that had the written address as that of Mrs Maxwell. Purporting to be from the killer
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A letter to police that had the written address as that of Mrs Maxwell. Purporting to be from the killer
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Has it been reproduced on here?
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Old 07-01-2018, 04:23 AM
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Hi,
I think Maxwell was either telling the truth or she lied , but certainly not mistaken.
I am swayed by the former, and don't forget she wasn't the only person who claimed to see her that morning.

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Has it been reproduced on here?
https://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=15280
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:37 AM
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Thanks for the responses but they don't really seem to be getting to the heart of the question. Yes, she could have been mistaken, lied or been involved in a cover up. But couldn't the police have made an effort to find the person she thought she had spoken to? To me, this doesn't seem like it would have been too difficult to do. So I am trying to determine if this was in fact done and if not, why not?

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