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Old 06-01-2018, 09:19 AM
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:23 AM
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Fish, I think that your faith in modern policing is rather touching. Plenty of science, computers, profiles etc etc. Over here many people never see a policeman on his beat, let alone know him to talk to.

In Victorian times policemen were familiar figures.
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Old 06-01-2018, 09:35 AM
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Oh, yes, Caz DOES make a habit of it. Now, be a good boy, run along and start checking her posts to me. I want her crucified by you for it. That´s what you do, right?
Pot-kettle-black.

In recent posts you’ve accused me of “petty bitterness.”

Of being “irrelevant.”

Of being “biased.”

Of being “ignorant.”

You’ve also used the phrase “The rest of your post is crap.”

Your victim mentality doesn’t really sit well.

Debate with you is close to impossible I’m afraid.

I’ll walk.
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Old 06-02-2018, 01:07 PM
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Fish, I think that your faith in modern policing is rather touching. Plenty of science, computers, profiles etc etc. Over here many people never see a policeman on his beat, let alone know him to talk to.

In Victorian times policemen were familiar figures.
Yes, I´m sure they were. Whether that made them good policemen, though ... I don´t think so.

And I don´t have all that much faith in modern policing, to be honest. What I have faith in is the tools they have at hand. Sadly, they do not always use them to the best possible effect.

As for touching, I think you are VERY touching when it comes to your faith in the Victorian police. You seem to think they were up to scratch and practically infallible? It´s a very nice thought, Robert - but completely unrealistic.

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Old 06-02-2018, 01:09 PM
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Pot-kettle-black.

In recent posts you’ve accused me of “petty bitterness.”

Of being “irrelevant.”

Of being “biased.”

Of being “ignorant.”

You’ve also used the phrase “The rest of your post is crap.”

Your victim mentality doesn’t really sit well.

Debate with you is close to impossible I’m afraid.

I’ll walk.
But that was not what we were talking about, was it? If you find me insulting, so be it - but it seems odd to me that you are not pouncing on the chance to teach OTHER posters manners? Why is it just me you are after, and why are you willing to let it slip when other posters do it, Herlock? THAT is the issue here.

Could it be that you are totally biased?

PS. I am no victim at all. Least of all in relation to you. I am instead outraged by how you make yourself out as unbiased when you are no such thing at all, as shown by the above.

It´s something that victimizes truth and honesty - not me. DS.

Speaking about victims, I don´t think you should be too upset by what I say about your ripperology. Take the geography factor, for instance. Either:

1. You are correct and it is irrelevant
2. I am correct, and it is very relevant
or
3. You are biased, and misrepresent the matter

Once you find us some evidence that any police force any place on earth regards the geography factor as irrelevant, you will have proven yourself partly or wholly right.

I can provide dozens of cases where it has been a major factor, like Robert Black, Russell Williams, Joseph DeAngelo and so on and on and on.

Where is the evidence to back YOUR take up? Well, there IS no such evidence. It is therefore wrong to make the claim you do. And that means that you are either ignorant or biased. There are no other options, Herlock. It´s a bummer because it means we cannot go on pretending that your view is as viable as mine on the matter.

We can all see that this is the plain and simple truth - but you are complaining about how I point it out. Why? If you can show us that I am wrong, then do so.

Don´t tell me that I cannot be debated with when it instead a case of you having manouvered yourself into a position you cannot possibly win this particular debate from. It is just as impossible as any suggestion that you will own up and accept that fact.

I´m sorry, but it had to be said.

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Old 06-02-2018, 01:29 PM
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"As for touching, I think you are VERY touching when it comes to your faith in the Victorian police. You seem to think they were up to scratch and practically infallible? It´s a very nice thought, Robert - but completely unrealistic."

Except for Mizen, of course, who had been graded as 'good.' In fact, he was so good that he couldn't have made a mistake!
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"As for touching, I think you are VERY touching when it comes to your faith in the Victorian police. You seem to think they were up to scratch and practically infallible? It´s a very nice thought, Robert - but completely unrealistic."

Except for Mizen, of course, who had been graded as 'good.' In fact, he was so good that he couldn't have made a mistake!
Don´t be pathetic, Robert. Neither you nor me knew the man, but both of us know that nobody is infallible.

So don´t try that kind of feebleminded poppycock, please.

Mizen was graded as a good policeman and all we know about him speaks of an able and honest man. He may have been something else, we don´t know, and you are welcome to cook up - and try and substantiate - a picture of him as a villain.

Then again, it will put you in the same predicament you tried to put me in - you believe the police to be good, able and honest men, never failing to do the right thing, remember?
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Old 06-02-2018, 02:06 PM
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Not at all, Fish. Anyone can make a mistake - including Mizen. Even yourself.
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Old 06-02-2018, 02:10 PM
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Mizen made no mistake and did absolutely nothing wrong.
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5. the fact that Lechmeres work route took him right through the Ripper heartland
I'm wondering about this "fact". You're claiming that it has been established where Charles Cross actually worked.

I must have missed it. Has it been posted here on casebook?
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