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well please do!
Well you know my preferred suspect Abby,

I beleive it is possible that following Mackenzie, the family tighten their watch on the suspect, ensuring he could not commit another attack.
Such lead to a full collapse of mental ability over the next 18 months, before final lockup.

Of course i have no evidence for any of that, its what i often call pure supposition and imagination. But if other can .........

Like all suspects, there is no real evidence for why Mackenzie would be the last.


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Well you know my preferred suspect Abby,

I beleive it is possible that following Mackenzie, the family tighten their watch on the suspect, ensuring he could not commit another attack.
Such lead to a full collapse of mental ability over the next 18 months, before final lockup.

Of course i have no evidence for any of that, its what i often call pure supposition and imagination. But if other can .........

Like all suspects, there is no real evidence for why Mackenzie would be the last.


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Thanks El
Francis Thomson correct? was he eventually institutionalized?
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Francis Thomson correct? was he eventually institutionalized?
Abby, dissapointed, Kosminski.


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Abby, dissapointed, Kosminski.


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sorry I thought you told me FT a while back.
Koz is on my short list.
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Well you know my preferred suspect Abby,

I beleive it is possible that following Mackenzie, the family tighten their watch on the suspect, ensuring he could not commit another attack.
Such lead to a full collapse of mental ability over the next 18 months, before final lockup.

Of course i have no evidence for any of that, its what i often call pure supposition and imagination. But if other can .........

Like all suspects, there is no real evidence for why Mackenzie would be the last.


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In some quarters Frances Coles was the last, in which case that would rule out Kosmsinski because at the time of her murder he was locked up.

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In some quarters Frances Coles was the last, in which case that would rule out Kosmsinski because at the time of her murder he was locked up.

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Yes Trevor agreed
However Abbys post to which i replied was about stopping at Mackenzie

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sorry I thought you told me FT a while back.
Koz is on my short list.
No problem. Never been a FT man


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Could've been Kosminski. People seem to dismiss paranoid schizophrenics as disorganised, dribbling idiots who couldn't have gone uncaught. But Robert Napper had a string of rapes and chalked up a couple of murders before DNA rumbled him, and even someone at the extreme end of the schizo spectrum like Richard Chase still had the survival instinct to high-tail it when someone disturbed him. None of them were actually caught in the act. The Ripper was a major risk-taker, and I think only a deeply unhinged mind could've performed those barbaric mutilations on the streets, while police were patrolling nearby, but he also had several factors working in his favour to get away with it. His family may very well have packed him off the loony bin before he could get caught.
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Could've been Kosminski. People seem to dismiss paranoid schizophrenics as disorganised, dribbling idiots who couldn't have gone uncaught. But Robert Napper had a string of rapes and chalked up a couple of murders before DNA rumbled him, and even someone at the extreme end of the schizo spectrum like Richard Chase still had the survival instinct to high-tail it when someone disturbed him. None of them were actually caught in the act. The Ripper was a major risk-taker, and I think only a deeply unhinged mind could've performed those barbaric mutilations on the streets, while police were patrolling nearby, but he also had several factors working in his favour to get away with it. His family may very well have packed him off the loony bin before he could get caught.
Hi Harry
I pretty much agree with this-as I mentioned hes on my short list. However, Im torn about the mentally ill part and if someone, even if he wasnt in the full throws or was in a lucid phase, like him could have pulled it off without getting caught, especially the night of the double event. Let alone at the height of the ripper scare being able to make the women feel he was normal enough to go off to a secluded place with him. Especially mary Kelly, who was apparently not as desperate as the rest and who probably brought or let in her killer to her own place.


re his family-totally agree. I think the knife incident with his sister was the final straw, and they may have even gone to the police about it-which might have been how he initially got on their radar.
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Hi AS

Yes its a conundrum for sure. What happened to him? Its like zodiac almost. Unsolved. But the zodiac continued to write letters long after his last kill.
The golden state killer apparently just stopped and went on to lead a normal life.
Kemper turned himself in.

Im starting to lean toward, whatever reason, the ripper stopped after mcKenzie.
I agree Abby. I think this possibility is underestimated by profilers etc.

They only know of those who got caught often because they could not stop themselves when if they were smart they would have, so there is a perception bias involved.

Most killers probably have to keep killing compulsively, but there is nothing to say that some, perhaps a fair majority do not. Particularly, if there was some stressor or trigger that was temporary and the killer's blood or sexual lust was satiated.
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