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Old 01-31-2011, 02:31 PM
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So you never saw the document in person either?

As for the rest, I am well aware of the difference between graphology and analysis. I suppose if you are going to use Wiki, as a source, I can use Straight Dope:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-legit-science
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Old 01-31-2011, 02:39 PM
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No, I never saw the document in person. I thought I had been pretty clear on that.
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I don't know on what basis the report was commissioned (in fact the FSS didn't give me any information at all about who had commissioned it).

Given what the FSS said, it doesn't seem likely to me that they will now give permission regardless. But if anyone else thinks it is worth trying, they can do such just as easily as I can. If the FSS does give permission, I shall be only too happy to send the scans to Stephen, as I had hoped to nearly two years ago.
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Ally

I don't know on what basis the report was commissioned (in fact the FSS didn't give me any information at all about who had commissioned it).

Given what the FSS said, it doesn't seem likely to me that they will now give permission regardless. But if anyone else thinks it is worth trying, they can do such just as easily as I can. If the FSS does give permission, I shall be only too happy to send the scans to Stephen, as I had hoped to nearly two years ago.
The FFS cant give permission without the client who commissioned it giving their authority. I have been down this route weeks ago, Now waiting to see what the Met Say.
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Thanks to Chris and Trevor both for clarifying my questions.
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The purpose of this thread is to discuss purely the fact that there is something amiss with the Swanson Marginalia. Any post that can be summarized as "Davis and HO said it was, so it was" will be reported as being off-topic.

This is for people who actually want to debate the topic and not get bogged down with sycophantic muppets who want to argue idiocy all day and not look at the actual facts. If I am the only one on this thread, so be it, probably better that way, but I want the facts out there, not buried in 30 pages of stupidity.

So here are the facts as we know it, that might indicate the Marginalia needs closer scrutiny:

1. The important marginalia, containing the name Kosminski, is written on an end paper and in a different pencil than can be found anywhere else in the book.

2. This was never mentioned when the marginalia was first or subsequently reported on.

3. One of the authors is now claiming they never really examined the marginalia before pronouncing it genuine.

4. The original examination by the HO used photocopies, not the actual document so the differing pencils was completely eliminated. This despite it not being considered best practices to use photocopies to determine accuracy.

What can be determined from these facts, is that at the very least, the Kosminski marginalia was written at a completely separate time than the rest of the marginalia in the book, which begs the question, Why? Why precisely would Swanson, if he was in fact the author of the marginalia, have felt compelled to go back and add it at some later date?

If Swanson was not the author of the marginalia, then it seems likely that it would have to have been forged by either his daughter or grandson, something that no one involved is willing to speculate or consider.

So either it's really Swanson's, written at some later date, which opens up its own can of worms, or it's not, which entirely invalidates the Marginalia.

Either way, the idea that the Marginalia can just be accepted as irrefutable, is now entirely destroyed.
Did the police send a mentally ill Jewish suspect called Aaron Kosminsky to a
Convalescent Police Seaside Home?


http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-koz.html

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And if Kosminski, who was his accomplice at the Kelly murder? Why would the marginalia not refer to an accomplice?
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Did the police send a mentally ill Jewish suspect called Aaron Kosminsky to a
Convalescent Police Seaside Home?


http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-koz.html

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I have found examples of other types of Seaside Homes in the British Newspaper Archive. Therefore we can not know if the Seaside Home referred to by Swanson was a place for policemen.

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Old 07-08-2016, 01:21 PM
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Hi Pierre,

At the time, there were sixty-nine such establishments in the British Isles.

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Hi Pierre,

At the time, there were sixty-nine such establishments in the British Isles.

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Simon
Hi Simon,

By "such" establishments, do you mean for police or for other people?

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