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Would be interested to learn if any evidence is known that confirms the 1897 clasp?
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If Watkins left in 1896 how did he get the 1897 clasp?
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If Watkins left in 1896 how did he get the 1897 clasp?

That exact point has been raised on other medal forums. The common consensus seems to be that like the Metropolitan Police, retired officers were recalled for the 1897 Jubilee. But unlike the Metropolitan police were officers medal entitlements are documented, the same cannot be said for the City Police. So there is no way of ever confirming an Officers entitlement, but the fact that the medal exists and the clasp is plain to see, we must assume that WATKINS was one of the Officers recalled for such duty? Either that or it's a very convincing fake, whereby the forger has made the mistake of including the 1897 clasp? But looking at the medal it seems genuine to me so I believe it being a fake is very unlikely?
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If Watkins left in 1896 how did he get the 1897 clasp?
Something I noted also Colin,

As Gordon points out, retired Bobbys with exemplary records would be put on a reserved list and called upon if required. This chiefly happened around big ceremonies and state funerals. For coronations, the temporary O Division would be formed by the Met (the only other time you’d see a Met O collar is in TVs The Bill).

There is no mention of Watkins returning in 1897, and I’d expect there would be something interesting on his records. However, to be fair, Watkins record is incomplete.

I don’t wish to put doubt in the 97 clasp, it wouldn’t be fair to. The only explanation, again as Gordon states, is a return for Jubilee duties post retirement.

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Something I noted also Colin,

As Gordon points out, retired Bobbys with exemplary records would be put on a reserved list and called upon if required. This chiefly happened around big ceremonies and state funerals. For coronations, the temporary O Division would be formed by the Met (the only other time you’d see a Met O collar is in TVs The Bill).

There is no mention of Watkins returning in 1897, and I’d expect there would be something interesting on his records. However, to be fair, Watkins record is incomplete.

I don’t wish to put doubt in the 97 clasp, it wouldn’t be fair to. The only explanation, again as Gordon states, is a return for Jubilee duties post retirement.

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Thanks, Neil & Gordon for your replies. I wonder if it was possible to buy the clasp and attach it. Perhaps the rules were different then. In 1977 the Silver Jubilee Medal was awarded only to officers who had completed (I think) 6 years service - so I missed out having done only 2 at that time. (Got the Golden one though!).
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