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Sorry GUT. Glad to hear from you and hope you've been having a good time.
I'll be scarce for about 3 more weeks.

Not much Internet at sea unless you pay a fortune, and not much time either.

So far it's fantastic thanks Jeff.

Some rough conditions but that's to be expected.
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I believe A Night to Remember was based on the Walter Lord book of the same title.
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I believe A Night to Remember was based on the Walter Lord book of the same title.
It was based on Lord's book. Lord also wrote a second book, "The Night Lives On" decades later, which is really a collection of further essays on the tragedy.

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Not as potent a date to remember among shipwreck aficionados, as April 14th-15th or May 7th, yesterday (May 29th) was the 104th anniversary of the collision and sinking (in the St. Lawrence River) of the RMS Empress of Ireland, with the loss of 1,012 lives (of which over 900 were passengers, many caught below deck asleep when the collision happened). In terms of loss of lives of passengers it actually was worse than either the Titanic or Lusitania, bad as they were. Captain Henry Kendall (who survived the tragedy) was the same Captain Kendall who four years before (when commanding SS. Montrose) helped Scotland Yard capture Dr. Hawley Harvey Crippen.

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Not as potent a date to remember among shipwreck aficionados, as April 14th-15th or May 7th, yesterday (May 29th) was the 104th anniversary of the collision and sinking (in the St. Lawrence River) of the RMS Empress of Ireland, with the loss of 1,012 lives (of which over 900 were passengers, many caught below deck asleep when the collision happened). In terms of loss of lives of passengers it actually was worse than either the Titanic or Lusitania, bad as they were. Captain Henry Kendall (who survived the tragedy) was the same Captain Kendall who four years before (when commanding SS. Montrose) helped Scotland Yard capture Dr. Hawley Harvey Crippen.

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Itís 31st here, the day she was launched
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Ah, you are always one step/day ahead of me GUT!

Curious about how close the dates of her launch and demise were so close.

"Empress of Ireland" is recalled as the worst peacetime marine disaster in Canadian history. That's because in 1914 (and 1912) Titanic sank off the coast (the Grand Banks) of Newfoundland - but Newfoundland/Labrador did not become part of Canada proper until 1949 - they were an independent colony when the Empress and the Titanic sank.


The Empress was a Canadian Pacific Steamship, as was the Montrose. That steamship line was under the parent company of the Canadian Pacific Railroad Company. In 1912, the President of the Canadian Pacific Railroad Company was Charles Hays. He drowned in the Titanic disaster.


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Ah, you are always one step/day ahead of me GUT!

Curious about how close the dates of her launch and demise were so close.

"Empress of Ireland" is recalled as the worst peacetime marine disaster in Canadian history. That's because in 1914 (and 1912) Titanic sank off the coast (the Grand Banks) of Newfoundland - but Newfoundland/Labrador did not become part of Canada proper until 1949 - they were an independent colony when the Empress and the Titanic sank.


The Empress was a Canadian Pacific Steamship, as was the Montrose. That steamship line was under the parent company of the Canadian Pacific Railroad Company. In 1912, the President of the Canadian Pacific Railroad Company was Charles Hays. He drowned in the Titanic disaster.


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I wasnít aware that Newfoundland (one of my favourite dogs, by the way) wasnít part of Canada at the time.
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I wasnít aware that Newfoundland (one of my favourite dogs, by the way) wasnít part of Canada at the time.
Yeah, Newfoundland dogs are one of the friendliest breeds.

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Today marks the one hundred and twenty fifth anniversary of the sinking of HMS Victoria, the flagship of Britain's Mediterranean Fleet under command of Vice Admiral Sir George Tryon and Captain Maurice Bourke. The Fleet was on maneuvers off Tripoli, Lebanon, when Tryon (a believer in testing his officer's abilities to think on their feet) gave a set of orders that are still debated to this day. He had the fleet divided into two columns, with Victoria leading one and HMS Camperdown (the fleet's second ship, under command of the second-in command of the fleet, Rear Admiral Albert Hastings Markham, at the head of the other column. The two columns were only eight cables between them, when Tryon ordered the columns to turn towards each other and head together at only six cables between them. The problem was (and remains) that a turning cable distance that was safe for the ships required them to be at least ten cables apart, not eight. Several officers tried to see if Tryon had made an error, but he insisted he was right. The result was that Victoria was holed in her midship by Camperdown, and sank in less than half an hour with the loss of 358 men including Tryon. Before she went down, Tryon was heard to say "It's all my fault." The Court-martial Board reluctantly agreed. However even his claim is subject to disagreement to this day. Best account on this tragedy is Richard Hough's "Admirals in Collision" (1958), and Rupert Gould's essay on the incident in his book "Enigmas".

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