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Old 01-20-2010, 11:39 AM
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Another story now discredited is that of the man Hutchinson, who said that on Friday morning last he saw Kelly with a dark-complexioned, middle-aged, foreign-looking, bushy-eyebrowed gentleman, with the dark moustache turned up at the ends, who wore the soft felt hat, the long dark coat, trimmed with astrachan, the black necktie, with horseshoe pin, and the button boots, and displayed a massive gold watch-chain, with large seal and a red stone attached.
Let's compare it with Hutchinson's statement:

Description age about 34 or 35. height 5ft6 complexion pale, dark eyes and eye lashes slight moustache, curled up each end, and hair dark, very surley looking dress long dark coat, collar and cuffs trimmed astracan. And a dark jacket under. Light waistcoat dark trousers dark felt hat turned down in the middle. Button boots and gaiters with white buttons. Wore a very thick gold chain white linen collar. Black tie with horse shoe pin. Respectable appearance walked very sharp. Jewish appearance.

What?

Middle-aged? Dark Complexioned? Bushy-eyebrowed? Soft hat? Foreign-looking? (don't get me started on foreign/Jewish)

This newspaper article must be discredited surely.

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This newspaper article must be discredited surely.

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Unless it is a faithful transcription of Hutch's words to the press.

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Unless it is a faithful transcription of Hutch's words to the press.
David,

Wow! Looks like another thread. As for me, I know Hutch was a good guy. His son had many good things to say about him.

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Wow! Looks like another thread.
It doesn't, Mike.
I simply suggest that Hutch's interview led the police to consider him a crank witness - as Tom said.

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As for me, I know Hutch was a good guy. His son had many good things to say about him.
Perhaps Winston Churchill loved his father too. I haven't read his memoirs, although he got the Nobel.

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Hi Roy.

If you'd care to follow the following link

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread...wroe#post91304

to post number 26, you'll find the details of another press report that called into question Hutchinson's stated version of events.

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I simply suggest that Hutch's interview led the police to consider him a crank witness - as Tom said.
David,

I believe that his testimony was checked out and that it was a futile effort. I also believe we don't know either way and such a mistake-ridden article doesn't help matters.

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Hi Obs,

Mrs. Long did not see the man's face and never claimed to be an 'identifying' witness' the way Schwartz and Hutchinson did. Neither did Lawende, and yet he's the sole witness used for identification. I'd say the evidence is pretty strong that the police came to see Hutch as a crank witness, although I couldn't tell you why.

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The timing of his sighting could be one reason. Assuming Astrakhan existed ive never thought of him as Kelly's killer. It would require him to have been with Kelly for a number of hours IF we take 4 am as her time of death.

There's a difference between the importance police attribute to witnesses in the immediate aftermath of a murder, and months later when the investigation is not under so much public and press pressure.
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David,

I believe that his testimony was checked out and that it was a futile effort. I also believe we don't know either way and such a mistake-ridden article doesn't help matters.

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On the contrary, it helps, Mike.

The police believed Hutch, and tried to find the suspect with his assistance.
Then Hutch talked to the press, ruining thus the police efforts. Not to mention his incredible Sunday sighting and the changes in the suspect's features.

What else could have discredited Hutch ?

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There's a difference between the importance police attribute to witnesses in the immediate aftermath of a murder, and months later when the investigation is not under so much public and press pressure.
Hi Jason,

the problem with Hutch is that he seems to have been discredited within a few days - 2 or 3.
Faster than Packer.

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Old 01-20-2010, 03:40 PM
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Then Hutch talked to the press, ruining thus the police efforts. Not to mention his incredible Sunday sighting and the changes in the suspect's features.

What else could have discredited Hutch ?
But how do you know this is a direct quote from Hutch and not just something pulled together? If it came from Hutch, and he got so many things wrong, we would certainly be able to dismiss him from suspicion of murder. There's no way the police would have seen so many discrepancies and have let him just go on his way.

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