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Old 06-14-2016, 02:41 AM
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CCJ,
I have been trying to put my views in a general sort of way to avoid getting into arguments,but I will answer your post directly to you.
(1) I believe Wallace made the call.
(2) I have answered that point,and shown a way it could be accomplished,so yes I do believe Wallace had time.
(3) Yes,but even if she didn't how does it matter.Parry cannot be linked to the Wallace home that night.
Yes the onus is on the prosecution,but the deliberations and findings are in the hands of the jury.How,excepting by belief,do you think the jury reached it's verdict of guilty.
Ginger,
Never mind whether Wallace attended the office every day,on that particular day,not knowing of an address,it w as a place where he could obtain information.It was company business,he had an obligation to try.Quite a few leads to prspective customers came via the office,so it was in the interests of the agents to attend regularly.
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Old 06-14-2016, 02:48 AM
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Hi Spitfire,

I got my info a few years ago from "Chess News", which I believe is a regular feature in www.chessbase.com. The author of this particular edition, Edward Winter, also notes that Samuel Beattie had known Wallace for about 8 years, nearly as long as Wallace had been a member of the club. Beattie said that Wallace was shy and reserved at first, but when one got to know him he was actually a very pleasant person. Given this, I feel certain that had it been Wallace himself who made the phone-call, Beattie would have recognised his voice. Unless, of course, Wallace included mimicry among his many other talents.

It was mentioned above that if someone wished to contact an insurance company, best to go direct to the head office. This reminded me of a small incident in the 1950's, when I was a boy. My mother insured with The Royal London, and made her premium payments on the doorstep to the local collector, who lived nearby. On the one occasion when she needed to make a claim, even though she could have phoned the head office, she called the collector who visited shortly afterwards and sorted everything out for her on the spot. That's how things were done in those days, before the impersonal internet came along. So maybe nothing out-of-the-ordinary in a customer or prospective customer phoning Wallace direct.

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Old 06-14-2016, 03:50 AM
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I don't know what the truth of the matter is, but I will say one thing : as a chess player the last thing I would want would be someone phoning me while I was deep in cogitations.
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Old 06-14-2016, 06:31 AM
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The problem I have with Wallace setting up an alibi for himself and getting someone else to kill his wife in his absence is that he would surely have done a better job with the timing and not allowed himself the tiniest window in which to be accused of doing the deed himself.X
IF someone else killed Julia, then the time of the murder was between 6:45pm and 8:45pm. And what if MacFall stuck to his original time of death as 8pm? Surely, the alibi would have been watertight?
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CCJ,
I have been trying to put my views in a general sort of way to avoid getting into arguments,but I will answer your post directly to you.
(1) I believe Wallace made the call.
(2) I have answered that point,and shown a way it could be accomplished,so yes I do believe Wallace had time.
(3) Yes,but even if she didn't how does it matter.Parry cannot be linked to the Wallace home that night.
Yes the onus is on the prosecution,but the deliberations and findings are in the hands of the jury.How,excepting by belief,do you think the jury reached it's verdict of guilty.
Hi Harry, one point of fact. Parry's alibi for the night of the murder came from Olivia Brine. If she in fact told a lie, then Parry has no alibi for both the night of the call (see earlier post) and no alibi for the night of the murder. Logically this matters if you answer PARRY to Q1 AND NO to Q2.

Clearly, your views are consistent with believing Wallace was most likely guilty. I have no problem with this, although I think the balance of evidence for [1] and [2] points more away from Wallace. Even if this is accepted, it does not follow that Wallace was not involved in the crime.

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Old 06-14-2016, 07:01 AM
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Is it known if Julia left a will, and if so was Wallace the beneficary, and again if so how much money Julia left him?

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Old 06-14-2016, 07:02 AM
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Samuel Beattie seems to have been living at 20 North Manor Way, Liverpool in 1939. Born 24th July 1872, he was a cotton merchants manager. He seems to have died Q1 1946, Wallasey.
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Old 06-14-2016, 07:07 AM
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Graham, no Julia will that I can see.
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Old 06-14-2016, 07:26 PM
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Someone will explain to this question,for I cannot find an answer in anything I have read,did Wallace account for the four pounds he claimed were missing?
Now these commission agents kept records of all monies paid,and each payee was given a card which recorded monies paid by them,(receipt)and of course the prudential kept records of money handed in by the commission agents.
So by checking,either the police or the defence,could establish that there was four pounds to steal.A tedious procedure,being as premiums could be as low as two pence a week,but a man's life might have depended on it.
Of course Wallace could have lied about money being missing,but proof of the amount missing could only be established by checking.
Was a check undertaken,or did the Jury have to rely on belief or disbelief of the money's existence
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:58 PM
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In testimony at his trial, presumably after he had checked his records, Wallace stated what had been in the black cash box. A 1 note; three 10 shilling notes; thirty or forty shillings in silver; a postal order from a WP Stringer of New Rd Tuebrrook for 4s and 6d; a cheque for 5 17s, made payable to Wallace by the Prudential, drawn on the Midland Bank, Castle St; and four 1d stamps.

All that remained when Wallace checked after the murder, in the presence of his neighbours the Johnstons, were the stamps and an American dollar bill Wallace had owned for some time.
In the mantelpiece of the middle bedroom was a jar of banknotes, 5 in 1 notes, left untouched.

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