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Old 04-25-2018, 08:05 AM
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In Debs dissertation(?) she wrote:

This latest find was the upper part of a woman's trunk... An earlier supposition that the victim had light red or auburn hair was substantiated on the finding on this portion of the body

I thought that the armpit hair may have been the substantiation behind this supposition.
Good point. Hebbert only mentions armpit hair in his description of the arms, as far as I can see, but there may have been some still attached to the torso too.
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Old 04-25-2018, 08:27 AM
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I still think there are very few similarities between Jack the Ripper and The Torso Killer meaning they were two separate killers.
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Old 04-25-2018, 08:56 AM
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Fisherman, however many pieces of sternum there were, they were in the thoracic portions of the trunk. The fact that they were cut through can have no bearing whatsoever with what happened in the lower abdomen. The way you're banging on makes it sound like she was split all the way down the middle like a baguette, which clearly didn't happen.
In fact, I think that is precisely what happened. There is nothing at all clear about it not happening. From the split sternum to the groin, Gareth.
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Old 04-25-2018, 08:58 AM
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Sorry, Josh, can't agree with you here. There's nothing in Hebbert's notes that remotely suggests that she was split all the way down the middle, whether in stages or otherwise.
Yes there is.
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:00 AM
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Very good point Debra


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And perhaps true.

But only perhaps.

Which is the whole point I am making.

Your earlier post I did not get, but it seems directed at tarnishing me, so maybe its just as well.
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:01 AM
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I agree with what you say, Joshua. Dr Hebbert says each flap included parts from each of the two sections, meaning they were continueous vertical cuts and done before the dividing of the body.
That makes three of us, then!
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:03 AM
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I can't disagree with any of your post, Robert. If the top torso cut was just below the armpits, it would mean the breasts were in the mid section, and the sternum divided across near it's middle. Which seems about consistent with Hebbert.
The top torso contained the shoulders and the top of the back, thats what Hebbert says. So it was not as big as the other two parts, seemingly.
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message deleted as it's a repeat of what has been discussed by many others.
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Good point. Hebbert only mentions armpit hair in his description of the arms, as far as I can see, but there may have been some still attached to the torso too.
There was pubic hair on the Mons Veneris in the first parcel found at Horsleydown, which also contained the uterus.
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Old 04-25-2018, 10:35 AM
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A point in favour of those who suggest a large hole along the midsection of Jackson is that the heart and lungs were plucked out. Through that very opening.

If he wanted to enlarge the opening in the lower abdomen by means of cutting away flaps of meat from the abdominal wall, so that he could facilitate the removal of the uterus (which has been suggested, although not by me - I think he did it for another reason), then it sounds decidedly odd if he took the heart and lungs out through a miniscule opening in the sternum.

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