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Old 05-12-2008, 04:11 AM
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I too had heard of the tenant showing the room to ghouls shortly afterwards. Not confused with the AC event and I don't know if money changed hands. I had heard about artefacts that had supposedly been in the room when MJK was there still being present. I don't know the source of this, though, and it could be another Ripper myth.

Then there is the person interviewed by Dan Farson for the TV programme we'll never find who said their mother lived in the room afterwards.

I fancy - conjecturily - that the murder may have had something to do with the renumbering, in much the same way that it had to do with Bucks Row becoming Durward Street. Obviously, Chris, you're right. No way could six people be in a room that small. That's not overcrowding - it's an impossibility!

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Wasn't one wall of No. 13 a partition anyhow? Was there a door in it, or does it just look like a door?
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If only people had been more ghoulish we may have had greater access to original Ripper items than we do today.
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Hi Christine
A panelled door can certainly be seen in the partition wall in the well known Kelly photograph
I have read somewhere - and I can't for the life of me remember where - that Kelly's room was originally the back kitchen of 26 Dorset Street
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How soon after the murder would he have been allowed to clean it all up to re-rent it out? I would imagine that he'd have been keen to do it pretty sharpish.
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If only people had been more ghoulish we may have had greater access to original Ripper items than we do today.

Yeah, except that a lot of people would doubt that it came from there, so we'd be back to square one probably and with more to argue over.
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Does anyone wish to bid for a pair of Mary Kelly's knickers im selling on ebay?
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Thanks Chris.

There's no indication that anyone ever opened that door, is there? I assumed it was a just another piece of salvaged wood that somebody used to improvise a wall.

In any case, it would have been easier to take it down than to put it up, and if it were a door, easier still to unlock it and call it a two-room flat.
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Obviously, Chris, you're right. No way could six people be in a room that small.
Only six, Phil? A mere bagatelle!

From the East London Advertiser, Sept 15th 1888 (cited in "Urban Culture", ed. Chris Jenks, 2002 - also Google Books!), we find a family of nine living in such circumstances:
"At an inquest held by Dr Macdonald, in Spitalfields, upon the death of a baby four months old, evidence was given that the parents and their seven children lived all together in one room about 12 feet square, for which they paid 4s 6d a week."
...spookily familiar
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Old 05-12-2008, 08:59 PM
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Ah, Gareth, but seven small children and two adults of one family - that is worthy of journalistic note, even amongst the LVP - isn't the same as three sets of different adults that doesn't get a mention, particularly given the newsworthiness of the room in question. I take your point, though. It seems the world of Henry Mayhew didn't change just because Mayhew was dead.

Chris - I don't know if it's in a book, but I myself surmised that #13 may well have been both a kitchen and pantry in the original house. The fact there are two very different windows at different heights in the same small wall suggest that this was not a single room.

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