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"Roughly" may be the key here. As I've mentioned before, I was involved in a doe deer harvest survey which counted on hunters to bring in the uterus to check for fertilization. An illustrated pamphlet had been provided beforehand. Most of these hunters had field dressed deer before. Nevertheless, many mistakenly brought in the bladder, or at best, cut out a wedge that included the upper vagina and the bladder along with the uterus, much like what was done to Annie Chapman. A few did it right.

As mentioned before, an Ed Gein type person who has a peculiar fetish enough to research his proclivity, but not the skill to be consistent, can very well explain why the extraction of the uteri varried​ in the instances it was done... let alone the environment at the time. With only the one example at the time, it is easy to see why the conclusions were reached after the Chapman murder and something different applied after the murder and mutilations if Catherine Eddowes.
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Nevertheless, many mistakenly brought in the bladder, or at best, cut out a wedge that included the upper vagina and the bladder along with the uterus, much like what was done to Annie Chapman. A few did it right.
A splendid illustration of what I think applied in the case of the Ripper. It is quite possible that he simply "got lucky" with Chapman, alhough (NB) not to the point of puncturing her colon and hacking through her bladder. The other evisceration murders might be seen as no less "lucky" in their own way. Whatever the degree of "luck" involved, there was little apparent "knowledge" on display, beyond that which a layman might easily acquire.
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"Roughly" may be the key here. As I've mentioned before, I was involved in a doe deer harvest survey which counted on hunters to bring in the uterus to check for fertilization. An illustrated pamphlet had been provided beforehand. Most of these hunters had field dressed deer before. Nevertheless, many mistakenly brought in the bladder, or at best, cut out a wedge that included the upper vagina and the bladder along with the uterus, much like what was done to Annie Chapman. A few did it right.
Trying to think as a psychopath might here:-

If the killer learned in similar fashion to the men described above, it might be that he had no idea which organ(s) he had removed - until he read about it in the newspapers. If he thus learned that he had taken something other than what he wanted, he would presumably take a different organ on the next occasion until, by process of elimination, he actually got what he was after. In the case of the Kelly murder he (assuming the same killer was involved) removed pretty much everything. In her case only was the heart described as 'absent'. Perhaps (playing devil's advocate here) he had no anatomical knowledge whatsoever. The ability to use a knife skilfully doesn't IMHO necessarily indicate anatomical knowledge and vice versa.
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