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Great spot, Jon! I'd not clocked that connection before.
Thanks Bud. Can`t believe that one crept past you ;-)

I should do a bit of research on the two men, really, before theorising ..
I`ve seen descriptions of the 2 men.
I believe John Cleary was 30yrs old and 6 foot
and soldier John Leary was 5`10 and 28

Didn`t John Cleary have some connection to Feather Court, where Pearly Poll used to live ? (and John Leary the solider is picked out by PC Barrett in the Tabram case)
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Thanks Jerry
do you have an article or dissertation or something where you lay ALL this stuff out?
I don't, sorry Abby.
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Thanks Bud. Can`t believe that one crept past you ;-)

I should do a bit of research on the two men, really, before theorising ..
I`ve seen descriptions of the 2 men.
I believe John Cleary was 30yrs old and 6 foot
and soldier John Leary was 5`10 and 28

Didn`t John Cleary have some connection to Feather Court, where Pearly Poll used to live ? (and John Leary the solider is picked out by PC Barrett in the Tabram case)
The Arnold/Lynch/Cleary story is complicated.

In short, John Arnold was using the alias "John (C)Leary when he reported the torso to the Herald. When searching for the informer, Donald Swanson found a man named Dennis Lynch working for a green grocer on Newcastle Street, Strand. When questioned, Dennis Lynch stated he once lived at 21 Whitehorse Yard (the address John Arnold gave as his to the Herald reporters). After questioning the residents of Whitehorse Yard it was determined Lynch was using the alias "John Leary". John Arnold lived at 21 Whitehorse Yard with wife and children in an earlier census but later deserted them. Swanson looked at the signature Arnold made on his statement to the Herald and concluded when starting to spell "Leary" he made a long flourish that made the signature look like "Cleary".In my opinion, John Arnold knew Dennis Lynch and used his address and alias when he made his pre-mature news report. Feathers Court (Pearly Polls temporary address) was a block away from Newcastle Street and Whitehorse Yard.

Claude Mellor steps in and states he also knows a John Cleary (different one entirely) that was a former compositor with the Globe and was living in Savoy Buildings, Strand. This Cleary is the six foot, 35 year old. Mellor must have had some reason to suspect this man other than just name.
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The Arnold/Lynch/Cleary story is complicated.

In short, John Arnold was using the alias "John (C)Leary when he reported the torso to the Herald. When searching for the informer, Donald Swanson found a man named Dennis Lynch working for a green grocer on Newcastle Street, Strand. When questioned, Dennis Lynch stated he once lived at 21 Whitehorse Yard (the address John Arnold gave as his to the Herald reporters). After questioning the residents of Whitehorse Yard it was determined Lynch was using the alias "John Leary". John Arnold lived at 21 Whitehorse Yard with wife and children in an earlier census but later deserted them. Swanson looked at the signature Arnold made on his statement to the Herald and concluded when starting to spell "Leary" he made a long flourish that made the signature look like "Cleary".In my opinion, John Arnold knew Dennis Lynch and used his address and alias when he made his pre-mature news report. Feathers Court (Pearly Polls temporary address) was a block away from Newcastle Street and Whitehorse Yard.

Claude Mellor steps in and states he also knows a John Cleary (different one entirely) that was a former compositor with the Globe and was living in Savoy Buildings, Strand. This Cleary is the six foot, 35 year old. Mellor must have had some reason to suspect this man other than just name.
Thanks JD
Yes, very complicated, but the above has helped, thank you
I`ve just seen your recent thread on the subject on JTR Forums.
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