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Old 08-24-2017, 04:59 AM
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Curious how Kidney wanted to change from Dorset Street,as per his testimony,to Devonshire Street again afterwards.
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Oops. This Tabram thread seems to be turning into a Stride thread. Compared to the Canonicals, Martha doesn't get much air-time, so let's get back to her.
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Since the 38 stabs were first, I don't understand why Martha wasn't screaming her head off, do you?

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Since the 38 stabs were first, I don't understand why Martha wasn't screaming her head off, do you?
And since many of the stabs were through her lungs, she would almost certainly have been spraying a mist of blood, if still breathing (which I don't remember the doctor's report saying anything about). Is this evidence that she was already dead?
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Since the 38 stabs were first, I don't understand why Martha wasn't screaming her head off, do you?

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4 possibilities spring to mind, Curious

Strangled unconscious
Knocked out cold on the head
Hand over the mouth
She did scream
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It was east of Cannon Street Road, next to Star Street.
Is that close to Star Place, where Tabram once lived, Gary ?
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A question I raised very early in this thread is that of the question of 2 weapons. I believe that Ive read that multiple stab wounds with more than one weapon is often result of the failure of the first weapon used and another weapon being chosen based on ready availability, not because the attacker had 2 weapons from the start.

Unless we have some wound that reflects that the smaller pen knife broke during the attack, the likelihood that the same offender used another weapon that was not available at the scene is lessened.

We also have evidence that a soldier questioned near the site of the attack said he was waiting for a buddy who went off with a girl, so it seems soldiers were travelling in pairs that night. Which is a reasonable explanation for 2 weapons being readily available at the scene.
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4 possibilities spring to mind, Curious

Strangled unconscious
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Hand over the mouth
She did scream
Hi Jon/all
since there was evidence of strangulation-id go with option one.
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Is that close to Star Place, where Tabram once lived, Gary ?
Yes, Jon, I believe so. It's location is not obvious from the OS maps, but the 1881 census lists the Bousfields in Star Place between Star Street and Morris Street.
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Yes, Jon, I believe so. It's location is not obvious from the OS maps, but the 1881 census lists the Bousfields in Star Place between Star Street and Morris Street.
It shows up nicely on the Ripper map posted above, at the south end of Star Steet.
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