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Old 09-28-2015, 08:56 PM
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Hi All,

Concerning Edward Stanley—

"Deconstructing Jack: The Secret History of the Whitechapel Murders," Chapter Nineteen.

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Old 09-28-2015, 09:26 PM
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Very interesting, Simon, thanks. The Complete Jack the Ripper (Begg, Fido et al) will have to be revised, as it appears that Mr Ted Stanley is truly a man of mystery, may be someone else entirely and was ineligible to serve in the Hampshire Militia!
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Old 09-28-2015, 09:34 PM
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Here's stanley's testimony for those interested:

Edward Stanley, Osborn-place, Osborn-street, Spitalfields, deposed: I am a bricklayer's labourer.
The Coroner: Are you known by the name of the Pensioner? - Yes.
[Coroner] Did you know the deceased? - I did.
[Coroner] And you sometimes visited her? - Yes.
[Coroner] At 35, Dorset-street? - About once there, or twice, something like that. Other times I have met her elsewhere.
[Coroner] When did you last see her alive? - On Sunday, Sept. 2, between one and three o'clock in the afternoon.
[Coroner] Was she wearing rings when you saw her? - Yes, I believe two. I could not say on which finger, but they were on one of her fingers.
[Coroner] What sort of rings were they - what was the metal? - Brass, I should think by the look of them.
[Coroner] Do you know any one she was on bad terms with? - No one, so far as I know. The last time I saw her she had some bruises on her face - a slight black eye, which some other woman had given her. I did not take much notice of it. She told me something about having had a quarrel. It is possible that I may have seen deceased after Sept. 2, as I was doing nothing all that week. If I did see her I only casually met her, and we might have had a glass of beer together. My memory is rather confused about it.
The Coroner: The deputy of the lodging-house said he was told not to let the bed to the deceased with any other man but you? - It was not from me he received those orders. I have seen it described that the man used to come on the Saturday night, and remain until the Monday morning. I have never done so.
The Foreman: You were supposed to be the pensioner.
The Coroner: It must be some other man?
Witness: I cannot say; I am only speaking for myself.
[Coroner] Are you a pensioner? - Can I object to answer that question, sir? It does not touch on anything here.
Coroner: It was said the man was with her on one occasion when going to receive his pension?
Witness: Then it could not have been me. It has been stated all over Europe that it was me, but it was not.
The Coroner: It will affect your financial position all over Europe when it is known that you are not a pensioner? - It will affect my financial position in this way, sir, in that I am a loser by having to come here for nothing, and may get discharged for not being at my work.
[Coroner] Were you ever in the Royal Sussex Regiment? - Never, sir. I am a law-abiding man, sir, and interfere with no person who does not interfere with me.
The Coroner: Call the deputy.
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Old 09-28-2015, 09:50 PM
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Thanks for that, Rocky. Picture of man trying to put as much space between him and Annie as humanly possible! As far as the Sussex envelope is concerned though, I don't think it had anything to do with Stanley, it was just a grubby piece of envelope Annie had picked up, either in the lodging house kitchen or elsewhere, to hold her pills. Perhaps the authorities were extra interested because Martha Tabram was believed to have been with soldiers and attacked with a bayonet-type weapon and the envelope and a so-called army pensioner tied in with that.
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Old 09-29-2015, 01:37 AM
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Thanks for that, Rocky. Picture of man trying to put as much space between him and Annie as humanly possible! As far as the Sussex envelope is concerned though, I don't think it had anything to do with Stanley, it was just a grubby piece of envelope Annie had picked up, either in the lodging house kitchen or elsewhere, to hold her pills. Perhaps the authorities were extra interested because Martha Tabram was believed to have been with soldiers and attacked with a bayonet-type weapon and the envelope and a so-called army pensioner tied in with that.
That could be why the coroner inquired about a connection. Probably right about the envelope, but after reading Bank Holiday murders I feel like what Donovan says can't be trusted.
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Old 09-29-2015, 10:54 AM
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Hi All,

Concerning Edward Stanley—

"Deconstructing Jack: The Secret History of the Whitechapel Murders," Chapter Nineteen.
Hi Simon,

Having read chapter nineteen, I can't help feeling there is a logical flaw at the heart of the theory contained in it.
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