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isn't it most likely that they simply came to the conclusion that hutch was nothing more than what he probably actually was-just an attention seeker ala violenia and packer?
Hello Abby,

But at what point do you think they apparently came to this conclusion? Before questioning him? That would certainly be piss poor police work.

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But at what point do you think they apparently came to this conclusion? Before questioning him? That would certainly be piss poor police work.

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Not to beat a dead horse, Abby but I am having trouble understanding your position. Are you arguing that the police considered Hutch suspicious and thoroughly questioned him but were in error when they concluded he was not involved or are you arguing that they never were suspicious of him in the first place? Or is it something else?

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Not to beat a dead horse, Abby but I am having trouble understanding your position. Are you arguing that the police considered Hutch suspicious and thoroughly questioned him but were in error when they concluded he was not involved or are you arguing that they never were suspicious of him in the first place? Or is it something else?

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No worries cd. I’m arguing that the police obviously questioned him as a witness (and veracity as such) but never as a real suspect, initially believed his witness story, probably because abberline had no initial reason not to, perhaps because he had just come from the inquest and had heard Lewis’s waiting man person, and hutch comes in shortly after, and confirms it, but soon after wards probably came to the conclusion that hutch was full of ****, perhaps because nothing came of his aman character and or hutch’s later embellished news story, putting hutch in the same attention seeking category of recently embarrassing “witnesses” as violenia and packer.

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A person is not really a suspect until the police find cause to have suspicions.

They need to interview Hutch first, before they can form an opinion. So it is true that he was never a suspect in the eyes of the police. Apparently, he convinced them in this interview/interrogation that he was telling the truth.
But, we have no indication that the police ever dismissed Hutchinson, or his story. Like many other cases, the prominence of the eyewitness just faded from the public eye, and the story is forgotten.
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isn't it most likely that they simply came to the conclusion that hutch was nothing more than what he probably actually was-just an attention seeker ala violenia and packer?
Not really, Abby, no. I don't think they'd have simply assumed this to be the case, without at least trying to establish his true whereabouts that night if they didn't believe he was where he claimed to be.

With Packer, they knew where he'd have been and that he had an obviously genuine reason for being there, even if his witness account was a packer lies. There was certainly no reason to treat him as a murder suspect, unlike someone who claimed to have been loitering near a horrific crime scene for what was a faintly ridiculous reason. At the very least, the police should have given Hutch a scare he wouldn't forget, for wasting their time. If they thought he'd invented the entire story out of whole cloth, just for some attention, they ought to have given him a very hard time and made him think they suspected him, even if they didn't, to teach him a lesson.

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A person is not really a suspect until the police find cause to have suspicions.

They need to interview Hutch first, before they can form an opinion. So it is true that he was never a suspect in the eyes of the police. Apparently, he convinced them in this interview/interrogation that he was telling the truth.
But, we have no indication that the police ever dismissed Hutchinson, or his story. Like many other cases, the prominence of the eyewitness just faded from the public eye, and the story is forgotten.
Agreed, Jon.

I don't think the police doubted that Hutch came forward because he thought his information could be important. It seems that the trail went cold, just as it did with the search for Blotchy. Nobody thinks Mrs Cox was making him up, or should have been a suspect, do they?

Had we been talking about a Georgina Hutchinson, who was overly curious about Kelly's latest flashy customer, things would have been very different over the last few years!

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Pure speculation.
But Chapman was missing a ring, it was determined it had been taken recently and forcefully, probably by the killer.
Thanks Abby,

I thought that there’d been some revelation while I’ve been away?
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Agreed, Jon.

I don't think the police doubted that Hutch came forward because he thought his information could be important. It seems that the trail went cold, just as it did with the search for Blotchy. Nobody thinks Mrs Cox was making him up, or should have been a suspect, do they?

Had we been talking about a Georgina Hutchinson, who was overly curious about Kelly's latest flashy customer, things would have been very different over the last few years!

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Nobody thinks Mrs Cox was making him up, or should have been a suspect, do they?
they have no reason to think she was making it up-indeed to this day shes one of the most credible witnesses and a lot of people even now still think that blotchy is a good bet for the ripper, unlike hutch and his Aman.

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Had we been talking about a Georgina Hutchinson, who was overly curious about Kelly's latest flashy customer, things would have been very different over the last few years!
cox had every reason to be where she was-hutch had no explanation. and to your "georgina" point-that's because no one really thinks then as now, rightfully, that a woman is going to be the ripper.
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Not really, Abby, no. I don't think they'd have simply assumed this to be the case, without at least trying to establish his true whereabouts that night if they didn't believe he was where he claimed to be.

With Packer, they knew where he'd have been and that he had an obviously genuine reason for being there, even if his witness account was a packer lies. There was certainly no reason to treat him as a murder suspect, unlike someone who claimed to have been loitering near a horrific crime scene for what was a faintly ridiculous reason. At the very least, the police should have given Hutch a scare he wouldn't forget, for wasting their time. If they thought he'd invented the entire story out of whole cloth, just for some attention, they ought to have given him a very hard time and made him think they suspected him, even if they didn't, to teach him a lesson.

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well I agree with you there. they SHOULD have treated him as a murder suspect, and or dragged his ass over the coals for wasting there time.
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