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Old 07-08-2015, 04:39 AM
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Thanks Pinkmoon

I agree, as I have argued this theory for half a dozen years: from the scraps we have it seems a net was closing around Druitt due to his confessing and/or cognition of family members, though this ticking clock did not involve police.
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Old 07-08-2015, 07:01 AM
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We actually have no idea how common it is. Remember that we don't even know what percent of operating serial killers we even catch, much less study. Never mind those who don't quite make it to three murders for whatever reason.

Serial killers tend not to kill themselves. Sadists, narcissists, antisocial personality disorder will never kill themselves. And those problems show up a lot in serial killers. But Borderline does too, and suicide is very common there. So there is nothing inherent in a serial killer that lends itself to self preservation more than anyone else.

He could have killed himself over money woes. A serial killer is not defined only by being a serial killer. He can be a dad, a businessman, an artist, etc. whatever else he does in his free time. Raider spent a lot more time as a father and husband than he did as a serial killer. And those roles meant something to him. Dahmer's role as a grandson meant a great deal to him. Serial killers usually have other lives and other responsibilities, and those make him vulnerable to the same stressors as the rest of us. They very well might kill themselves given the right stressor.
I agree that it is possible that the killer committed suicide for some other reason than guilt/horror/shame over the murders.

Suicide is rarely an impulsive act, and an individual may have spent weeks or months contemplating the possibility of ending it all.

An interesting point is made on a website by a doctor which deals with suicide:

"People who’ve survived suicide attempts have reported wanting not so much to die as to stop living, a strange dichotomy but a valid one nevertheless.

"http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/06/6-reasons-people-commit-suicide.html


When discussing suicide, I have heard many people say that they did not want to die, but if they had the option of going to sleep that night and not waking up, they would grab it gladly.

Is it possible that the killer (possibly Druitt) simply "wanted not so much to die as to stop living"?

Is it also possible that the murders were not the main reason for the suicide?
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Old 07-08-2015, 07:06 AM
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I agree that it is possible that the killer committed suicide for some other reason than guilt/horror/shame over the murders.

Suicide is rarely an impulsive act, and an individual may have spent weeks or months contemplating the possibility of ending it all.

An interesting point is made on a website by a doctor which deals with suicide:

"People who’ve survived suicide attempts have reported wanting not so much to die as to stop living, a strange dichotomy but a valid one nevertheless.

"http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/06/6-reasons-people-commit-suicide.html


When discussing suicide, I have heard many people say that they did not want to die, but if they had the option of going to sleep that night and not waking up, they would grab it gladly.

Is it possible that the killer (possibly Druitt) simply "wanted not so much to die as to stop living"?

Is it also possible that the murders were not the main reason for the suicide?
It is possible that an alternative motivation could have led to suicide. If the killer finds his physical being has been weakened and is collapsing (and can't be stopped from further collapse) he might end up realizing that death is preferable to being helpless.

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Old 07-09-2015, 03:00 AM
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[quote=Jonathan H;345889]Thanks Pinkmoon

I agree, as I have argued this theory for half a dozen years: from the scraps we have it seems a net was closing around Druitt due to his confessing and/or cognition of family members, though this ticking clock did not involve police.[/QUO
Poor druitts been forgotten about over the years a lot of people discarded the little love because he was from a higher class of society. I think when the f.b.I. offender profiling was applied to this case people started to flock to kosminski due mainly to him been from the lower class .Two things that always stick in my mind is why his brother had no problem letting the world know that mother was in the Looney bin which would have carried a massive stigma in those days and the fact he lied when he said he was the only living relative it's just a shame no one has found anything to link druitt to these crimes.
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Old 07-09-2015, 06:52 AM
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Yes, fair enough.

The FBI profiler (whose name escapes me, but he wrote a book called something like, "The Cases that Haunt Us") finally landed upon David Cohen as the better bet to the fiend.

I think this was because Cohen, unlike Aaron Kosminski, was demonstrably violent and also demonstrably dead before Swanson and Anderson allegedly said the Ripper was six foot under (1895, and some indeterminate time according to Anderson's son, respectively, but presumably soon after incarceration as with the Marginalia).
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I have noticed that in some cases in the U.S. of mass killings (Columbine) or even serial killers (Andrew Cullinain) the killer or killers have offed themselves to prevent having to go through a trial and be the subject of public attention and (possibly) personal humiliation. But this has frequently been accompanied (in this age of video and You Tube) with personal statements made to voice their own reasons for their actions, when they know they won't be around later.

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It is possible that an alternative motivation could have led to suicide. If the killer finds his physical being has been weakened and is collapsing (and can't be stopped from further collapse) he might end up realizing that death is preferable to being helpless.

Jeff
Another big one is sleep. People who can't sleep, and I mean really can't at all for more than three days start to get not only cognitively altered, but suicidal. I don't recommend ever getting to that point, but the cognitive deficits and physical symptoms of sleeplessness make you pray for death.
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