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Old 12-29-2017, 10:18 PM
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Judgement in a different, though related, case: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/12/29/168...y-wedding-cake
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Judgement in a different, though related, case: https://pdx.eater.com/2017/12/29/168...y-wedding-cake
Interesting article, Ginger, thanks. This has the added flourish that the bakery refused to pay the court-ordered sum of money to the clients. So, civil disobedience, if the bakery owners believe it was an unjust law? But not in my opinion, because I think to maintain social order, we should follow laws that try to protect the rights of people.
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Interesting article, Ginger, thanks. This has the added flourish that the bakery refused to pay the court-ordered sum of money to the clients. So, civil disobedience, if the bakery owners believe it was an unjust law? But not in my opinion, because I think to maintain social order, we should follow laws that try to protect the rights of people.
"Civil Disobedience" is just another name for crime.
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"Civil Disobedience" is just another name for crime.
Or for passive resistance, if the law is truly unjust, such as the local Jim Crow regulations making it difficult (if not impossible) for African-Americans to register to vote. If the law says all voters must be allowed to sign onto electoral rolls, but staff don't bother to do their jobs, based on the color of the prospective voters' skin, isn't that a crime?
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Or for passive resistance, if the law is truly unjust, such as the local Jim Crow regulations making it difficult (if not impossible) for African-Americans to register to vote. If the law says all voters must be allowed to sign onto electoral rolls, but staff don't bother to do their jobs, based on the color of the prospective voters' skin, isn't that a crime?
Crime is crime. The robber who relieves you of your wallet at gunpoint no doubt feels that society is unfair for rewarding your native talents with prosperity and security, while his own meager gifts meet with no such recompense. And he may have a point at that.

Regardless, as I'm one of the people for whom the law and society serve to provide a good life, I'm eager to see civil order maintained. In the end, I draw a sharp line between Law and Justice. Law is black and white. Justice is often a thousand shades of grey. when anything approximating it can even be found.
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I agree with you, Ginger, about the difference between law and justice. Ideally, all laws would be just ones and equally enforced, but we don't get live in an ideal world.
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Supreme Court clears him

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1J01WU
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Well, I certainly didn't expect that.
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I have no doubt that Christian fundamentalists who were livid over the Court's same sex marriage decision and who called it a decision by unelected black robed judges will be praising this decision to high heaven (pun intended).

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I have no doubt that Christian fundamentalists who were livid over the Court's same sex marriage decision and who called it a decision by unelected black robed judges will be praising this decision to high heaven (pun intended).

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