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Did they have the kind of organized trappings the Ripper got? I don't think so.

500 officers.

https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...personnel.html

200+ named there and 300 to go.
They worked shifts, and wouldn't all have been deployed at once. Those that were would have been distributed throughout H Division, and not all of them would have been walking the beat.
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They worked shifts, and wouldn't all have been deployed at once. Those that were would have been distributed throughout H Division, and not all of them would have been walking the beat.
It's less about the beat walkers and more about the actual traps set for him, including plainclothes, stakeouts, and bait.

Also, investigators had obviously figured out that JtR was targetting women without their doss money and would have been watching out for these individuals the most, especially if they met with a man.

Around the time of Eddowes murder, James Blenkinsop, nightwatchman overseeing roadworks in St James Place, claimed a respectably dressed man approached him, asking, "Have you seen a man and woman go through here?" Blenkinsop said he had seen some people pass, but that he had not paid any attention to them.

I would think that man a plainclothed detective. It is unknown if he is asking this before or after the murder but happens around that time.

If before, then this may lead credence to the view that Eddowes might have been a 'nose'... and she lost hers.
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It's less about the beat walkers and more about the actual traps set for him, including plainclothes, stakeouts, and bait.
The increased police presence might account for the growing gaps between the murders from Chapman onwards. Would someone with inside information need to have waited as long between kills?
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The increased police presence might account for the growing gaps between the murders from Chapman onwards. Would someone with inside information need to have waited as long between kills?
In terms of timing, he is considered extremely quick compared to other serial killers. The autumn of terror captures how quick it was.

Friday 31 August 1888
Friday 9 November 1888

Approx 9 weeks for 5 murders.

Inside knowledge looks something like this -> http://www.goldenstatekiller.com/attack-list.php

Notice the last 7 as ONS were done after he was fired. 2 per year and then a 5 year gap.

A graph just drops like a cliff after being fired, but he turns to homicides exclusively and the crimes a lot worse (if they weren't bad enough already).

He was doing about 2 attacks per month on average, which isn't far off what JtR was doing with the C5.
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In terms of timing, he is considered extremely quick compared to other serial killers
I know, but there was barely a week between Nichols and Chapman, and escalation was already apparent.
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I know, but there was barely a week between Nichols and Chapman, and escalation was already apparent.
I have my own explanation for that. He was doing exploratory work on Nichols to see how bloody he would get harvesting organs. He learned that his exsanguination had worked and what he could do. He wanted to do the full thing and did it as soon as he could by coming across Chapman.
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I have my own explanation for that. He was doing exploratory work on Nichols to see how bloody he would get harvesting organs. He learned that his exsanguination had worked and what he could do. He wanted to do the full thing and did it as soon as he could by coming across Chapman.
Why not do it again after Chapman as soon as he could? If he had the inside tack on the police, what was holding him back?
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Why not do it again after Chapman as soon as he could? If he had the inside tack on the police, what was holding him back?
Nothing except these serial killers tend to go in cycles as identified by the psychologist Joel Norris. So JtR would be in various phases before doing it again.

After Chapman, the press was no longer interested in a Jew because Pizer had an exculpatory alibi in the form of a police officer.
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