The Shroud Of Turin

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The Shroud itself as evidence

All the Shroud of Turin shows as evidence is where it has traveled, indeed that it once covered a crucified male, a better dating to now what has been claimed as a 1st century relic. Just because the shroud shows light & heat as to make an imprint of an image that is authentic and not a fake paint pigment of an artist, this does not show that it is evidence of a male that was resurrected as mainstream Christianity teaches within the bible, that alone is based on faith, a belief and shows no evidence at all for it to have been a resurrected male as their belief system claims. In fact there is no evidence at all for resurrection except in the christian bible, other religions that claim a Resurrection of people within their religion or faith may not be talking about the same type of Resurrection that Christendom has claimed for centuries, but a mere * revival * and recovery of a person that was sure to have been dead or little chance of living. In short there is no solid evidence that the miracle of Resurrection as claimed by centuries of Christendom's teachings, not as their miracle teachings make such stated biblical claims.

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On the shroud blog, Hugh had this to say :

" Hugh
I am not sure what your religious beliefs are – atheist, agnostic, Christian etc.
As a Christian, I believe in the resurrection. Not the physical resuscitation of Christ’s body, but a materialisation as a spiritual body as described by Paul.
In my view, science will never explain this, unless one favours some kind of naturalistic explanation (eg. hallucinations etc)

Although I search for an explanation of the Shroud image’s formation, I also acknowledge that if it was a product of Christ’s resurrection then our chances of explaining it in scientific terms is probably zilch.

Despite much brain power over the years, no single theory convincingly explains the image. Of course there might still be a valid scientific explanation! But I think the fact that there isn’t, despite all the analysis over the years, is suggestive of a reasonable likelihood of a miraculous creation.

My own view is that Christ’s body dematerialised, and the image is somehow a byproduct of that. He then rematerialised in a spiritual form that somehow had quasi physical characteristics eg. three dimensionality etc – that took his appearance beyond a “ghost” and that is the resurrection. "


In view of faith, belief and mainly that of Christianity, the claim that a reformation of a resurrected physical body of the doubting Thomas writing, called The Incredulity of Thomas, it seems unlikely that an actual physical state would occur as spoken in the gospel of John? a Spiritual Resurrection, as in the case of the spirit and soul living on as Hugh points out through the writings of Paul seems more plausible and has justification regarding modern findings of the present today, however a physical type regarding physical food needs does not seem plausible, especially in view that there is not a shred of physical evidence to prove such biblical teachings, thus it lays only in the spiritual realms and not one of the physical realm.

Gospel of John :
John 20:25-27King James Version (KJV)

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Also in John 21 4-14 reads that after ressurection Jesus ate physical food,however, how could a spiritual ressurection and a spiritual three dimensional body be in need of something that is physical? :

4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.

5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.

6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.

7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.

8 And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.

9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.

10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

12 Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.

13 Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.

14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.

Conclusion:

The term risen from the dead would state that the biblical Jesus in the gospel of john and according to that gospel, that he had risen from the dead, once risen would not need to be in connection with physical needs anymore, but a belief system that regarded the dead as in a spirit form, a spirit needing to eat is from oriental belief systems as well as ancient Egyptian texts and that of Buddism, the description in the gospel of john coupled with Hugh's statement / comment on the shroud blog is just the same as what the ancient Egyptians believed as well as the orientals and that of the Buddhists. So is Christianity unique and different to that of other types of religious belief systems that Christendom has claimed? I don't thinks so, belief systems including that of African ancestor worship come to think of it, it's quite plainly a very big fat NO, Christianity through those gospels is no different at all to other belief systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosts_in_Chinese_culture

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Jesus and the Shroud of Turin

The biblical texts show a remarkable same spirituality as the orientals, the ancient Egyptians, the Buddhists as well as the Africans religious cultures regarding spirits demons, the afterlife and of course spirituality, yet on one hand Christianity has elevated their Jesus more so than other religious belief systems, what is so special regarding Christianity's spirituality within their religious belief system, in short there is no difference, therefore no such genuine claim to special elevation of their religion. So what is special regarding the shroud known as the Shroud of Edessa and also now more famously known as the Shroud of Turin other than a spiritual impact that left an image upon a 1st century textile burial cloth through heat & light coming from a dead physical body, it's not special to represent a particular religion, only a revelation that indeed there is a spiritual realm beyond that of a physical body, as energy is also a light and a heat, it just reveals a hope, an afterlife, a life after the physical has become dead.

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Preta ~ Hungry ghost

Hindi / Hindu mention of preta ( preta is sanskrit for hungry ghost ) in the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preta

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Gospel of John & Paul

Is it just at all possible, that John's account in the gospels and that of the spiritual Resurrection described by the letters of Paul, that the risen Jesus was a spiritual account from some enlightenment from these disciples, of a parallel world or spiritual realm regarding the biblical Jesus, rather than an actual physical presence of a resurrected risen Jesus on this plane we know as planet earth? But a glimpse into another reality, rather than a reality that is here? Just a misunderstood and sometimes mistranslated, this gospel and letters contained within the bible, much the same as looking into a mirror, staring at some sort of a reflection, a glimpse from another world or other worldly existence for the man and teacher they knew as Jesus, that somehow the term Lord, savior , and God became a mis-dialogued or mistranslated meaning, that it was only the kingdom of a creator that poured through the heart and soul of the biblical Jesus, the question also remains of which Jesus was it, as that also seems to have been a little lost in mistranslation too.

Parallel Universe http://www.npr.org/2011/01/24/132932...rses-may-exist

Some believe there are parallel universes ( plural ) not just one universe, but many.

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One ~ Infinity ~ Illusion

Are there multiple created universes, simultaneously existing in paradigm shift existences? or just one universe that exists, or are all universes an illusion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1bWKZFP2Tc

If this is indeed just an illusion, then the concept of the biblical gospel of John of where Jesus had risen from the dead and asked for food from his disciples, then the conclusion drawn would be that the biblical disciples had either hallucinated the events, or indeed was a creation of their imaginations.

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Quantum physics ~ Jesus Christ ~ Christ Conciousness

Light and fast frequencies, vibration from vibration frequencies ~ The shroud shows some residue from that light & heat shown on the cloth of the shroud of Turin, that cause such an imprint of a photographic holographic image on the cloth.

Materialism is an illusion according to quantum physics :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM

Food for thought regarding the biblical gospels of the disiples, that the hallucinations or imaginations of the disciples mentioned within the biblical gospels, that they actually spoke of a past life, rather than a presence of a risen Christ that was crucified upon a cross prior to his return to them as their god. As such, this would be a wave or ripple in a timeline of the individual and their own personal experience.

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Jesus ~ The Shroud ~ St Issa

India does claim that the biblical Jesus is an immortal and that he did spend time in India, that India knows Jesus as St Issa. India has it's own saints and claims that these saints have surpassed the output of love and compassion than the Church of Rome's favored saints.

What metaphysics would call the energy source and all living as we know it as * Love * , science just sees an Energy, light & heat, known as * zero point *, there is a criminologist that deals with that named Dr Christopher Holmes. Most of us look through a glass darkly in this physical side. And it is true, what has the spiritual have to do with the physical, yet does not love and energy reside inside all physical matter? There are dim lights and bright lights, and some lights get brighter all the time, the biblical Jesus i believe was such one bright light. Maybe the biblical disciples did not see a hungry ghost, maybe it didn't matter that Jesus appeared to eat physical food, maybe it was a teaching as well as a past life experience, joined and spliced together with so much to learn from with that one simple gesture, something for the biblical disciple to remember after all. The real question is * What is LOVE ? * , the other question is , do you want to ride on a roller coaster of that * LOVE * once you know what it is? Or are you still afraid? Lose the fear!