Originally Posted by DirectorDave
I hope given the interview with the Sailsburry suspects the idea that Russia could have any serious impact on a US election is fantasy land stuff.
We clearly are not dealing with a soviet era KGB or GRU.
Black unemployment at historic lows.....the thing is the people who are pleased about this the most (other than the person who now has a job) are the people the non-deplorables label white supremisists.
8 years Obama had to enact a growth policy....he offered nothing but food stamps.
The joke in the 90's was that Bill Clinton was the first "black president"...even though he put record number in jail and on the dole queue.
There can be little doubt which of the last 4 presidents are really rooting for African Americans and that's why they are leaving the Democratic Party plantation in droves.
With a little help from Candace Owens, who I wish was not so hot so I could say I only like her for the way she thinks.
There is so much to unpack here that is basically on various degrees of "incorrectness", so I'll just make a couple of points on each this flurry of statements while at the same time not expecting anything useful to come from it or to revisit it (Seeing that the "Is Donald Trump a racist" discussion is going the way of a "Are smurfs blue" debate):
"I hope given the interview with the Sailsbury suspects the idea that Russia could have any serious impact on a US election is fantasy land stuff."
=> I think it does. The Russians thought they could come over to the UK and pop someone they don't like with complete disregard for consequences. The brazenness is what is so astonishing here (just like the brazenness in the US Election campaign where they simply replicated on a bigger scale what they had done earlier in other countries).
Also, the Interview was not intended for the Western intelligence services, it was for the useful western idiot who watches RT. there are enough people out there who will buy this because after all, in a western democracy, much is a PR issue. This is the same way that FoxNews operates. Whether it is a Russian Spy or a Trump family member, they all run to their chosen TV station for a cuddle and one soft-ball interview after another.
"We clearly are not dealing with a soviet era KGB or GRU."
=> Clearly not because they methods have changed. It is now information warfare and for that, they chosen battlefield is the internet. It's so much more effective as we are seeing now.
"8 years Obama had to enact a growth policy....he offered nothing but food stamps."
=> The facts would suggest the longest sustained recovery since 2011 immediately after the worst financial crisis in history in 2008 (although this may depend on exactly HOW you measure the crisis). He also more than halved the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.5%, so trump's "historic" economy is riding on the coat-tails of Obama's sustained recovery.
"The joke in the 90's was that Bill Clinton was the first "black president"...even though he put record number in jail and on the dole queue."
=> the US prison population REALLY started to increase from the mid-80's onwards and if you look at various graphs at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarc..._United_States
, you will notice that Clinton was merely continuing a trend that was started under Reagan. It also seems that if you are looking at sheer numbers, Clinton had the "misfortune" to be a two-termer than a Bush Snr. who was a one-termer. So it seems to me that the source for this is in the Reagan years. You could of course say "why didn't Clinton do anything about this? and the answer is I don;t know and I certainly don't have the time to start investigating the effects of US Criminal law in the 80's and 90's. If you are interested, I'm sure there are plenty of forums dedicated to this.
Regarding the Dole queue, US unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Clinton. I don;t see how, despite this, he would have been able to put record numbers of African American on the Dole queue as a percentage of the population.
"There can be little doubt which of the last 4 presidents are really rooting for African Americans and that's why they are leaving the Democratic Party plantation in droves."
=> there appears to be no evidence that African Americans are leaving the Democratic Party "in droves". http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/...groups/2_3-14/
would suggest that their support for the Dems holds around 80 and did so for a long time.
Candace Owens? ok, that explains a lot. My favourite quote of hers is actually: "I became a conservative overnight ... I realized that liberals were actually the racists. Liberals were actually the trolls."
"Became a conservative overnight?" Yeah, right. I suspect that someone from Fox said "Hey, we would like to pay a million bucks to a black person to bash other black people. It fits rather well with our whole vibe. Interested..?"