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Old 09-06-2018, 01:12 AM
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More likely as a recumbent one.
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More likely as a recumbent one.
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Thank you Statler and Waldorf.

I can't remember the outcome of the story. I'll have to look it up. When Monk junior died he held a lease on the yard in Winthrop Street which he bequeathed along with all the fixtures and fittings etc of the business to his manager, William Barber. There's no mention in the will of his Pa's bones.

Apparently Monk senior had a rare deformity which made his corpse of particular interest to certain medicos. They offered Monk a tidy sum for his Pa but Monk refused.

Apologies for the distraction, Michael.

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Did his late father retain his rights as a sitting tenant?
No he was an owner occupier !

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The Lancet, 29th September 1888—

“. . . whilst from the pelvis the uterus and its appendages with the upper portion of the vagina and the posterior two thirds of the bladder had been entirely removed. No trace of these parts could be found.”

Morning Advertiser, 10th September 1888—

“Timothy Donovan, deputy at the lodging house, 35 Dorset Street, stated that after the deceased left on Monday last he found two large bottles in the room, one containing medicine, and labelled as follows: ‘St. Bartholomew’s Hospital. Take two tablespoonfuls three times a day.’ The other bottle contained a milky lotion, and was labelled ‘St. Bartholomew’s Hospital. The lotion. Poison.’"

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“I know Annie Chapman as a lodger in the same house, I know that on Friday 7th inst the day before the murder she came into the lodging house and said she had been to the hospital, and intended going to the Infirmary the next day. I saw that she had a bottle of medicine, a bottle of lotion and a box with two pills and as she was handling the box it came to pieces, she then took out the pills and picked up a piece of paper from the kitchen floor near the fireplace and wrapped the pills up in it."

Could Annie Chapman have been pregnant?
That's an interesting posit Simon. Any storyline leading from that would likely entail someone with some medical background I would imagine. Wasn't Kate seeing someone about stds? I recall the Williams book revealed that the eminent surgeon had a notebook with her name in it. It would be interesting if it was discovered that Annie and one or more of the C5 were being treated for ureteral related issues at the time they were murdered. I brought up Kate obviously because she was the Only other victim to lose the uterus..if only 3/4 of it.

That would presume that Kelly did have a std as well I would think, since what we hear about them is that they were a quiet couple, together almost every night. Unless of course, that's just fiction....since we don't see that togetherness in her last 24hours.
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But Burke and Hare did just that, murdering victims and selling the bodies for medical research. that is part of the reason why The Anatomy Act was brought in to enable medical personnel to freely obtain organs for medical research from mortuaries.

With that in mind it doesn't seem logical for the killer to be a trained medical person intent on organ harvesting, when that status of person could freely obtain them.

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I don't see the organ black market as the likely catalyst for this murder Trevor, I think the intent was to highlight crimes where internal organs were actually sought out specifically.

That being said, I wonder about a "contract" issued by a gynecologist or abdominal specialist to have enough access to specifically womens internal organs of regeneration for study. Maybe, as Simon put out there, maybe Annie had a specific condition...like an unusual pregnancy, which offered information that a student or practitioner could really use. Maybe that person would pay to obtain a sample....and just cast a blind eye to the way it was obtained.
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Eeeeeeerrrrmm
Who do we think paid for the consultant at St Barts
Plus the medicine,lotion ,pills .....
We are led to believe this was a woman who wandered the streets for three hours after Donovan last saw her before meeting her death looking for a few pennies
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Eeeeeeerrrrmm
Who do we think paid for the consultant at St Barts
Plus the medicine,lotion ,pills .....
We are led to believe this was a woman who wandered the streets for three hours after Donovan last saw her before meeting her death looking for a few pennies
"Women were commonly supplied with drugs in response to “female complaints,” particularly pain associated with menstruation and childbirth, or “feminine” illnesses, such as neuralgia and hysteria."

From Kristina Aikens, Kristina received her PhD in English from Tufts University in 2008, producing the thesis “A Pharmacy of Her Own: Victorian Women and the Figure of the Opiate.”
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"Women were commonly supplied with drugs in response to “female complaints,” particularly pain associated with menstruation and childbirth, or “feminine” illnesses, such as neuralgia and hysteria."

From Kristina Aikens, Kristina received her PhD in English from Tufts University in 2008, producing the thesis “A Pharmacy of Her Own: Victorian Women and the Figure of the Opiate.”
Does that particular quote show a link to the status of the women ?
I'm not aware of 'free' medical attention pre national health service in the mid 1940's
May have been charity run services
I don't think St Bart's was one of those institutions but I stand to be corrected if anyone has evidence to show it to be charitable
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