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Old 03-29-2011, 01:20 PM
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Anytime Marlowe

I have a penchant for this letter and have transcribed it a number of times as a lot of the words are contentious

However, on close study, IMO, none of the disputed words alter the flow or apparent meaning of the text in any significant manner except prostitution/destitution which, in the original text is actually underlined

The page sequence in Terry Lynch's book is incorrect and Stewart Evans has revised his opinion on a few of the words that appear in the transcription of the poem "Letters from Hell"

At one time I thought this a unique text but it does have a precedent from 1888 and it emulates features from the letter from "Jack the Ripper's Pal"

Note that in the first few lines the writer of this poem claims to be writing for the first time

Here's one of my posts from JtRForums which contains my most recent transcription

The lines are separated into the pages

Bangor St is significant because there were opportunities there for East Enders to gain a working passage abroad on a ship among other things...

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Here's a transcription, though there are still some disputable words

ie
Shotlog/Shortly
Frank/Funk/Flunk
Belgavian/Belgarian

...and probably more

"The whorish women and them thin" should end with a word rhyming with kill so the last two words are debatable

Some options are...

Their thrill
Them I kill

...and similar, though the above are obviously not solutions

"...he gave one a treat" could read "...he gave me a treat"

I'm not sure how the word "spark" relates to him being tired and trying to escape

Although there is an attempt to utilise various punctuation marks, these are often used erroneously and capitalisation of some letters are also erroneous

Some letters are overly elaborate such as the "L" in London and some of the capital "F"s

IMO some of the letters are formed to emulate some of those in previous Ripper letters, such as the D, B and R and of course the letter is addressed to "Dear Boss"


30 Bangor St Novr 8/89

Dear Boss
My finest shot to justify myself I now fire,
You will see by this that I am not a liar,
Funk, stupid Fool, believes me to be insane,
His next shotlog will be that "I'm tame
In the papers you sometimes see-
Letters written by him, but none by me,
He declares an accomplice is concerned,
That he has to prove and learn-
He describes my complexion, dark with good looks,
Tells the public he has my boots,
Togs 8 suits, many of hats I wear,
And people at me often stare.
Those spots are bully dogs and not fair,
The true spots I pack'd 2 pairs in High St,
To pay rents, buy food (no gin) but meats.
The togs have I 2 suits both dark and blue overcoats.
Hard felt hat, and blue ruff on my throat,
Long hair, no beard and none on chin-
Do neither smoke, swill, or touch gin.

At Finsbury, St Pauls hard near,
I never dost the rents are too dear,
Whitechapel High St hard near my home-
I always do my work alone,
Some months hard gone near Finsbury Sqre,
An eccentric man lived with an unmarried pair-
Mad on Vivisection (the cutting up of animals) He gave one a treat,
He would get hold of a dog or cat for a joke,
With one cut of the knife sever its throat,
He was very dark, teeth (if new) pocked mark'd, disease on nose I did him meet
The tale is false there never was a lad,
Who wrote essays on women bad
I'm not a flash Belgarian swell-
Altho, self taught I can write and spell,
The Miller's Court murder a disgusting affair
Done by a Polish Knacker rather fair
The morn (of the morrow) I went to the place-
Had a shine but left in haste,
I spoke to a policeman who saw the sight,
And informed me it was done by a Knacker in the night.

I told the man you should try and catch him,
Say another word Old Chap I'll you run in.
Frank old Donkey, say he can me catch:
He would soon find in me his match,
The detectives of London are all blind;
They know they cannot me search and find.
Flunk you should a spark make-
He would soon be tired and try to escape-
Operations will begin this month again.
Despatch the police and good strong men-
Whitechapel alone is the place,
The man is keen, quick, and leaves no trace-
My blood boils and with indignation rages,
To perpitrate more bloody outrages-,
Prostitution against which I desperately fight,
(To) destroy the filthy hideous whores of the night,
Dejected, lost, Cast down, ragged, worn and thin,
Frequenters of Theatres, Music Halls and drinkers of Hellish gin.
My Knifes are sharp and very keen,
Determined I swear what I mean,

The swellish flashaway TecKs I very often see
Treating whores and asking them to tea.
One night hard gone I did a policeman meet-
Treated and walked with him down High St,
The letter addressed to 22 Hammersmith Road-
Was written by some vulgar lying toad,
Old Funk, thinks me a flashaway swell-
A first rate man and in a fine house I dwell.
A fourpenny doss I have at a Common East End Dosshouse
And do not dine on aristocratic grouse,
When I by luck some browns and bobs do make-
Sometime early, but at others very late,
He thinks a large fortune I have got,
And loves to ridicule and me mock,
He well knows the reason that I kill,
The whorish women and them thin,
Money (of which) Sir, I have none;
But I detest ridicule of my sarcastic plans and fun.

J Ripper


I will write more in a few days

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Old 03-29-2011, 01:54 PM
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Apologies, my memory failed me a bit

The precedent from 1888 I mentioned is the letter from "Jack the Ripper's Pal" and the similarities are my own perception only

I think this letter stands out from other "typical" Ripper letters in appearing to be an apparently authentic and detailed "confession", as does the 1889 poem

There are obvious similarities in the "vivisection teacher" type angle

http://www.casebook.org/press_report.../18881126.html
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:05 PM
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thanks, then i can compare both.
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:11 PM
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This letter has always reminded me of the Zodiacs Lord High Executioners song.

Not that either wrote them.

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Old 03-29-2011, 02:17 PM
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the book or the Razor album?
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:27 PM
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oh I see what you mean. never really paid attention closer to the Zodiac case, I know the main lines.
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Old 03-29-2011, 03:00 PM
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Here's the abridged version on the Zodiacs letter I refer to...

...As someday it may happen that a victom must be found. *I've got a little list. *I've got a little list, of society offenders who might well be underground who would never be missed who would never be missed. *There is the pestulentual nucences who whrite for autographs, all people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs. *All children who are up in dates and implore you with im platt. *All people who are shaking hands shake hands like that. *And all third persons who with unspoiling take thos who insist. *They'd none of them be missed. *They'd none of them be missed. *There's the banjo seranader and the others of his race and the piano orginast I got him on the list. *All people who eat pepermint and phomphit in your face, they would never be missed. *They would never be missed And the Idiout who phraises with inthusiastic tone of centuries but this and every country but his own. *And the lady from the provences who dress like a guy who doesn't cry and the singurly abnomily the girl who never kissed. *I don't think she would be missed Im shure she wouldn't be missed. *And that nice impriest that is rather rife the judicial hummerist I've got him on the list All funny fellows, commic men and clowns of private life. *They'd none of them be missed. *They'd none of them be missed. *And uncompromising kind such as wachamacallit, thingmebob, and like wise, well-nevermind, and tut tut tut tut, and whatshisname, and you know who, but the task of filling up the blanks I rather leave up to you. *But it really doesn't matter whom you place upon the list, for none of them be missed, none of them be missed.*


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Old 03-29-2011, 04:06 PM
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Here's the abridged version on the Zodiacs letter I refer to...

...As someday it may happen that a victom must be found. *I've got a little list. *I've got a little list, of society offenders who might well be underground who would never be missed who would never be missed. *There is the pestulentual nucences who whrite for autographs, all people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs. *All children who are up in dates and implore you with im platt. *All people who are shaking hands shake hands like that. *And all third persons who with unspoiling take thos who insist. *They'd none of them be missed. *They'd none of them be missed. *There's the banjo seranader and the others of his race and the piano orginast I got him on the list. *All people who eat pepermint and phomphit in your face, they would never be missed. *They would never be missed And the Idiout who phraises with inthusiastic tone of centuries but this and every country but his own. *And the lady from the provences who dress like a guy who doesn't cry and the singurly abnomily the girl who never kissed. *I don't think she would be missed Im shure she wouldn't be missed. *And that nice impriest that is rather rife the judicial hummerist I've got him on the list All funny fellows, commic men and clowns of private life. *They'd none of them be missed. *They'd none of them be missed. *And uncompromising kind such as wachamacallit, thingmebob, and like wise, well-nevermind, and tut tut tut tut, and whatshisname, and you know who, but the task of filling up the blanks I rather leave up to you. *But it really doesn't matter whom you place upon the list, for none of them be missed, none of them be missed.*


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PS, 365 it is.
wow yeah, the language is more modern but still very similar indeed. another creepy guy!

PS, I take your word for it!!
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Hi Nemo,

Thanks for your thoughts and the new information you have provided me. Although, being that I know this letter by heart, I would hate to have to change some words when quoting from it. :-)

But, while you may be right about some words, I do have to take issue with you about a number of them. When I get the time, when can share some ideas and see what we can agree upon.

As an example, one word the writer misspelled was "Belgavian". I believe he meant the word "Belgravian".

"I'm not a flash away Belgravian swell"....is what he meant to write. The Brits on the board can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't this so.

To be continued.....

Marlowe

PS I believe GWB was the original Zodiac! :-)

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...one word the writer misspelled was "Belgavian". I believe he meant the word "Belgravian".

"I'm not a flash away Belgravian swell"....is what he meant to write. The Brits on the board can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't this so.
Funnily enough, I agree Marlowe, even though the word looks nothing like Belgravian

However, even though the writer uses unusual terms, he seems to be a very good speller
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