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Old 03-18-2009, 12:05 AM
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Hello,

There seems to be some dispute about what cases should be considered unsolved so I thought I'd create a scale like we have for tornadoes. I'll post it here and over on that other site. Here are the categories and at least one example of each.

The Reid Scale: Classic Unsolved Murder Cases

Level 0: Cases with a standing conviction and where there is no serious doubt regarding the verdict (Ted Bundy).

Level 1: Cases where there is a standing conviction but some doubt about it (James Hanratty) or cases where there is no conviction but where there is little doubt regarding the perpetrator (Bella Kiss).

Level 2: Cases where there is no standing conviction but where there is a better than even chance that one suspect did it (Lizzie Borden).

Level 3: Cases where there are good suspects but they are independent and/or conflicting (Jack the Ripper).

Level 4: Cases where there is no serious suspect (The Original Nightstalker).

So there you be.
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:10 AM
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Thanks, Stan.

I have an immediate question about your "Level 3: Cases where there are good suspects but they are independent and/or conflicting (Jack the Ripper)."

Do we really think any of the suspects in the case are good suspects?

Or when it comes down to it, are all of the suspects that so far have been mentioned "iffy" with some being somewhat better than others?

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Hi Chris,

By "good", I meant of some merit not that they are likely. There are also some of little or no merit.
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By this scale, the JonBenet Ramsey case would have to be level 2, with Patsy as the prime suspect.

You might consider adding a level where one known suspect was caught, but not the conspirators, such as with Oswald Hauptmann.

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By this scale, the JonBenet Ramsey case would have to be level 2, with Patsy as the prime suspect.

You might consider adding a level where one known suspect was caught, but not the conspirators, such as with Oswald Hauptmann.

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I believe you mean Bruno Hauptmann, in the Lindbergh kidnapping and murder, do you not?

As for Patsy Ramsey, the latest developments have appeared to have cleared her. See the July 9, 2008 letter (pdf file) from the Boulder prosecutor to Patsy's widower, John Ramsey, saying that new DNA evidence had cleared Patsy and her son Burke of suspicion of involvement in the crime. Since the state now lacks a serious suspect presumably, this puts the Ramsey case back to a category level 4 per Stan's classification.

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Chris,

Oops, I meant to write Oswald AND Hauptmann. As for Ramsey, there is nothing to the supposed 'DNA evidence' that Ramsey and his buddies are claiming clears them. It is a smokescreen, much like the convenient 'suspect' that came out a few years ago right after Patsy's death. From the word go, they knew he wasn't their guy, but played him up in the press to get people thinking it was an intruder.

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There will always be arguments about where some cases belong. No doubt that some, perhaps even me, would want to put Hanratty at Level 0. I would consider Hauptmann at Level 1 - Category 1. Originally, I had 4 or 5 sub categories at Level 1 but I thought it was getting too cumbersome and decided to winnow it down to a pair which was as far as I could take it. There are often variations. I could have made them two separate levels but it depends on the case which you would think of as the "most unsolved" so I decided to keep them under the same heading. That's just my view though.
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Also, I think I reworded Level 3 a little more concisely when I posted this over on that other site but when I came back here my edit time had run out.
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As well, I put "Classic" in the header so cases less than several years old aren't up. Almost all cases are unsolved for the first minute so some time is needed before going to the trouble.
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Also, I think I reworded Level 3 a little more concisely when I posted this over on that other site but when I came back here my edit time had run out.
What other site?

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