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Sheffield Evening Telegraph
11 October 1888
AN EXTRAORDINARY STORY
An extraordinary story is going the round of journalistic circles in connection with the mysterious discovery on the Thames Embankment. It will be remembered that the woman's remains were found on the Monday afternoon of last week. The previous evening, however, a man went to most of the daily newspaper offices, saw the respective subeditors[?] and inquired if they had heard of a woman's body being discovered on the Embankment. The man evidently expected remuneration, but, in accordance with practice, was required to call again after inquiries had been made. Reporters were despatched in hot haste to Westminster, and calls were made at all the police stations and other likely quarters, but without result, no discovery of the kind reported having been made. In less than twenty-four hours the remains of the unknown woman were found between the Embankment and Whitehall at the spot previously described. If this reported discovery was a hoax, and a strange coincidence, it is very singular indeed. Moreover, the man who called at the newspaper offices did not call a second time.


This report is incorrect in it states the body was discovered on Monday. It was actually formally found on Tuesday. The report goes on to say the previous day a man went to the sub-editors to report the body. That would be on Monday. On Monday, however, the body had in fact been discovered. TWICE! By the same man and his mate. He didn’t report the discovery until the third time he saw it on Tuesday. Those two men are Wildbore and Lawrence. Both residing in Battersea.

Enter John Arnold for the first time. This is my opinion, not a fact. The man asked for a reward just as Arnold did in the Pinchin case a year later. Two bodies, both possibly murdered on or near the 8th of September, and both predicted before the bodies were placed where they were predicted to be placed.

You said some of us use coincidences too much Batman? Is this a coincidence?

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Sheffield Evening Telegraph
11 October 1888
AN EXTRAORDINARY STORY
An extraordinary story is going the round of journalistic circles in connection with the mysterious discovery on the Thames Embankment. It will be remembered that the woman's remains were found on the Monday afternoon of last week. The previous evening, however, a man went to most of the daily newspaper offices, saw the respective subeditors[?] and inquired if they had heard of a woman's body being discovered on the Embankment. The man evidently expected remuneration, but, in accordance with practice, was required to call again after inquiries had been made. Reporters were despatched in hot haste to Westminster, and calls were made at all the police stations and other likely quarters, but without result, no discovery of the kind reported having been made. In less than twenty-four hours the remains of the unknown woman were found between the Embankment and Whitehall at the spot previously described. If this reported discovery was a hoax, and a strange coincidence, it is very singular indeed. Moreover, the man who called at the newspaper offices did not call a second time.


This report is incorrect in it states the body was discovered on Monday. It was actually formally found on Tuesday. The report goes on to say the previous day a man went to the sub-editors to report the body. That would be on Monday. On Monday, however, the body had in fact been discovered. TWICE! By the same man and his mate. He didn’t report the discovery until the third time he saw it on Tuesday. Those two men are Wildbore and Lawrence. Both residing in Battersea.

Enter John Arnold for the first time. This is my opinion, not a fact. The man asked for a reward just as Arnold did in the Pinchin case a year later. Two bodies, both possibly murdered on or near the 8th of September, and both predicted before the bodies were placed where they were predicted to be placed.

You said some of us use coincidences too much Batman? Is this a coincidence?
Something like this is obviously an eye-opener and hardly a coincidence. If it were, we would hire them to use their crystal balls to predict scenes of crimes.

However, as you said, if the dates are wrong that might explain it, but also the place they described might not have been found properly by reporters. Can you imagine being an investigator learning this at the time? Wouldn't a newspaper report, like this one, have drawn the attention of the investigators to these rather strange events?

By the way, a sack with a body you are going to dump doesn't have to be treated like a sack of your best chinaware. You can throw it over things and ahead of you. Sure, two or more people can carry this out, but I am wondering if we need to introduce more complexity (more than one person) to explain it. After all, one of these workers could have done it on their own.
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Jerry,

Didn't these two men have curiously similar biographies? And didn't one of them have several geographical points in common with Alice Kinsey?

I'd forgotten the second man was Lawrence. That was the name of Mrs Hewitt's drover.

Apologies for the detour.

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Jerry,

Didn't these two men have curiously similar biographies? And didn't one of them have several geographical points in common with Alice Kinsey?

I'd forgotten the second man was Lawrence. That was the name of Mrs Hewitt's drover.

Apologies for the detour.

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Hi Gary,

They both had fathers that committed suicide. If that’s what you mean? I think you found the article on Richard Lawrences fathers suicide.

Wildbore was from Peterborough, yes. He also lived in Tottenham. Alice was supposedly meeting a man she once knew in Tottenham the night she was murdered.

I’ve had the same thought about Lawrence and connection with Mary Kelly. At the time, he was a laborer working with Wildbore at the police building. I’ll have to look back at the census records on him. If I remember correctly, he also lived at one tme very close to the Pancras Lock where parts of the Rainham torso were dumped.

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