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Old 09-08-2016, 11:27 AM
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Hi,

When we compare signature, victimology and modus operandi we often tend to try and find similarities between the victims.

But if we try and find specific traits of the murders instead, what would we see?

Today is 8 September. Lets try with the murder of Annie Chapman.

What can we observe in the case of Annie Chapman that we can not in all or some of the others?

What specific historical facts can we establish for the signature, victimology and/or modus operandi regarding the murder of Chapman?

In what way(s) was this murder specific?

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Old 09-08-2016, 11:28 AM
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Why don't you be specific and name your suspect?
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Patsy Cline's Birthday. 8th September. Sign of Virgo.
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Patsy Cline's Birthday. 8th September. Sign of Virgo.
Sign of the killer.
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Why don't you be specific and name your suspect?
Because he hasn't got one.
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Hi

Had to think long and hard about replying to this TODAY.

But my feelings of anger, finally over come my feelings of morality and what is right.

Considering todays date, in my view the only threads about Annie should have been those paying respect and yes there is one.

This thread, posted today is inappropriate, it could have waited until tomorrow Pierre.


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Well said, Steve.
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Had to think long and hard about replying to this TODAY.

But my feelings of anger, finally over come my feelings of morality and what is right.

Considering todays date, in my view the only threads about Annie should have been those paying respect and yes there is one.

This thread, posted today is inappropriate, it could have waited until tomorrow Pierre.


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Agree

In fact I wouldny mind if on those five (or so) days only respect posts were allowed.

But I personally don't think Pierre has Morals.
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:51 PM
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What's different about the Chapman murder?

- Arguably the most skillful mutilations. I am not one of those Casebook posters who hangs onto every word choice made by a doctor in 1888, but to the extent that doctors who examined the victims were impressed by the mutilations, they were most impressed by the Chapman mutilations.

- An attempt was apparently made to remove the head. I'm not 100% convinced of this, but people make the claim.

Those are the two big ones I could think of: and IMO the first one is likely tied to the fact that Chapman may have been murdered in daylight. Everything else I can think of about the Chapman murder is non-unique.

She is not the only victim to lose a uterus (Eddowes also)
She is not the only victim to have two throat cuts (Nichols also)
She is not the only victim to have her intestine thrown over her shoulder (Eddowes also)
She is not the only victim where we have witnesses potentially seeing the killer with the victim, or potentially hearing the start of the attack

Not sure what Pierre was going for - but this was my attempt to play it straight and answer the question he was literally asking.
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"- An attempt was apparently made to remove the head. I'm not 100% convinced of this, but people make the claim."

Her TB had spread to her head.
Dr Phillips commented that an uncommon instrument,like a post mortem knife,may have been used.
Um....who would want her head and used a post mortem knife?
Perhaps someone who walked home along Hanbury street during the week....right past Dr Phillips residence in Spital Square.
Someone he knew even.
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