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Old 08-03-2012, 09:39 AM
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I was thinking about John Richardson sitting on the top step in the backyard of 29 Hanbury St, leaning forward and cutting the bit of leather off his boot.

I was struck by the similarity in Richardson`s body position and location in the yard to the Ripper`s position over Chapman at the foot of the steps.

Just kicking this around,but what if Richardson was the killer of Chapman, at the time Dr Phillips suggested. At that time it was just getting light and perhaps Richardson may have been spooked that someone from a distant window may have seen him and when he returned to the scene of the crime and came up with the "cutting leather off his shoe" story to explain why, if he`d been seen, he had been hunched over in that corner of the yard.

Yeah, I know Chapman`s head was between the steps and fence, and Richardson was sitting on the top step but they`re still very close in proximity.

Just some food for thought ...

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Old 08-03-2012, 10:34 AM
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John Richardson remains for me one of the (many) great enigmas in this case, and would certainly have a lot of explaining to do if I were able to time-travel myself back to East London 1888 and play detective. (Like how do you cut leather off your boot with a blunt table knife, for one.)

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Old 08-03-2012, 10:42 AM
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Hello Jon. An interesting thought.

If I recall properly, Richardson's first version had him standing and cutting; his second version, sitting and cutting; his last version sitting and trying to cut.

If that is correct and he were the assailant, and his body placement described as it was for the motive you suggest, it seems he would have omitted the first version and gone directly to the second.

One gets the feeling that the emendation from one to two was designed to make his witness "more meaningful."

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Old 08-03-2012, 12:06 PM
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Hi Lynn

Thanks for your reply!!

Who did Richardson give the first story to, was it Insp Chandler in the passageway of number 29?
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Hello Jon. Thanks.

Seems it was at inquest--so I presume Baxter.

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Hi Harry

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John Richardson remains for me one of the (many) great enigmas in this case, and would certainly have a lot of explaining to do if I were able to time-travel myself back to East London 1888 and play detective. (Like how do you cut leather off your boot with a blunt table knife, for one.)
Have you noticed how Pipeman`s description is very similar to John Richardson. Although, Pipeman`s description is fairly generic, Richardson was a tall man with brown hair and a brown moustache.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:24 PM
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Seems it was at inquest--so I presume Baxter.
When I get home I`ll have to check what he said to Chandler in the passageway. But, I suppose a detail like standing or sitting may not have seemed an important detail to recall for Richardson.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:57 PM
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Hello Jon. Thanks.

It may well be a trivial point. But if he hatched the story in case someone saw him crouched over the body, it seems that he would never portray himself as standing.

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Old 08-03-2012, 01:08 PM
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Indeed, but I doubt Richardson had your mental faculties, Lynn, and the final version off his story has him sitting down.

But it`s probably nothing, because like Chas Cross in Bucks Row, he had a perfectly innocent and reasonable reason to have been there.
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Hello Jon. Thanks for the kind remarks.

Point taken--a faux pas with respect to calculations on his behalf? And I like how you summarise the situation. Tend to agree.

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