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Old 10-27-2017, 12:37 PM
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with all due respect we all have been making rude comments, no?
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:47 PM
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with all due respect we all have been making rude comments, no?
I never said I'm not rude. I said Surstromming keeps using me being rude as a way to avoid having to answer holes in his theories or account for errors he's made like he makes the rules here and then he turns around and says rude **** to other people. it's such blantant hypocrisy

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Old 10-27-2017, 12:59 PM
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I never said I'm not rude. I said Surstromming keeps using me being rude as a way to avoid having to answer holes in his theories or account for errors he's made like he makes the rules here and then he turns around and says rude **** to other people. it's such blantant hypocrisy
Then take your chance to disclose me as being wrong on all counts. It is the easiest thing in the world. All you have to do is to say "I promise I will not call you names again when debating with you", and I will then answer whatever it is you have to ask.

Just man up, Rocky, it´s easy enough. Listen here: I promise not to call you names when debating with you, Rocky. Not that I ever have done so - like you have - but I promise not to start doing it in the future either.

You see, I can do it, no probs. But you won´t, will you?

The simple truth of the matter is that you don´t want that debate, do you? And so you hide behind a lie in order not to have it happen.

Prove me wrong, why don´t you?

PS. The rules out here are supplied by the administrators and not by me. As for being in charge, that is something that anybody who knows his way around the case can be versus somebody who is less informed.
You can have the night to sleep on that information.

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Old 10-27-2017, 01:11 PM
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As for being in charge, that is something that anybody who knows his way around the case can be versus somebody who is less informed.
You can have the night to sleep on that information.
Surstromming, what do debs or jerry have to do with this? I would hardly describe you as someone who knows his way around the torso case well. You didn't even know which direction the killer cut the abdomen
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:41 PM
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Surstromming, what do debs or jerry have to do with this? I would hardly describe you as someone who knows his way around the torso case well. You didn't even know which direction the killer cut the abdomen
Once again, my answer is the same - before you shape up, you will not have any comment from me on these matters. You are - of course - wrong, and I will happily tell you why when you have manned up. But not before that happens.

PS. If you check out Debras posts you will find that she also speaks of "from ribs to pubes". And she is quite entitled to, just as I or anybody else is.

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Old 10-27-2017, 02:20 PM
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Once again, my answer is the same
My answer is the same too. I will only refer to you as Surströmming from now on. If you don't like it you can go fish yourself
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Old 10-27-2017, 02:21 PM
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so you admit we have three victims where the killer opened up the abdomen to access the contents

so you admit,at least this part, is a similarity?

yes or no.
Yes.

The question is one of how relevant and consistent this was in either series.
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Yes.

The question is one of how relevant and consistent this was in either series.
I’ll take it!


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Old 10-28-2017, 02:41 AM
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For someone in a stressful situation....lets say, cutting up a woman you just killed, the method of access would be for speed and complete access to the area desired. Certainly in the cases where the murder and evisceration took place outdoors. But none of these murders had surgical incisions, intended to make the least amount of collateral damage. That's why flaps are not a significant factor when marrying these series of murders, the convenience and speed would appeal to many in that heightened state of excitement and fear.

In plain terms one of these killers sought to disassemble, one sought to access the female abdomen and to cut into it. Both had to kill to facilitate their goals. One did so to create a public spectacle. One disposed of his dirty work in a method that is used in attempt to hide the deceased. The fact that one torso appears to have been placed is likely more about the political climate more than anything else.

Ill also add that marring the facial features, in the cases of Mary and Kate, likely have a lot to do with venting and punishing, I don't believe that there was any serious attempt to wipe away their identities. Cutting someone into pieces....and separating the head from the body, is such an act.
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Old 10-28-2017, 03:28 AM
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That's why flaps are not a significant factor when marrying these series of murders, the convenience and speed would appeal to many in that heightened state of excitement and fear.
When was it proven that the killer was in a state of "excitement and fear", Michael? Is it just a suggestion of yours?

Was the killer in a state of fear when cutting Jackson up, in all probability in a private lair?

The flaps are significant and very, very important. If yu can prove that they were simply coincidental, then fine.

You may find that hard, though.
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