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Old 04-24-2018, 05:51 AM
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Hi Abby. Thanks. I think you and I have similar views with regard the GSG and Lusk letter.

My thinking is similar to yours regarding the reason for sending a letter to Lusk. But that is pure speculation with nothing to support it, other than it provides a plausible possibility.

I differ with you with regard to the Kelly murder. Again, pure speculation, but I think he actively sought a safer environment. But it could have simply been an accident of opportunity.
Hi eten
on second thought, maybe he did target his next victim for an indoor kill.

Ive often thought that Mary Kelly is probably the key to the case in terms of the identity of the ripper, since the evidence seems to point to her knowing her killer.

perhaps he knew her, knew she was recently single again, and with the events of the night of the double event in mind, sought her out knowing he might get her alone in her room. need to think about it a bit more.
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on second thought, maybe he did target his next victim for an indoor kill.
It's a theory that fits the facts, and one which I find compelling, but we would need more information to be sure.

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Ive often thought that Mary Kelly is probably the key to the case in terms of the identity of the ripper, since the evidence seems to point to her knowing her killer.
I too think Mary Kelly is an interesting victim and may well have more to tell us. I'd be interested to hear why you think she knew her killer - I haven't a view on that one way or the other.

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perhaps he knew her, knew she was recently single again, and with the events of the night of the double event in mind, sought her out knowing he might get her alone in her room. need to think about it a bit more.
I really struggle to understand how anyone could commit the murders he did, but find it even harder to understand how he could do that to someone he knew. But then he isn't me.
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It's a theory that fits the facts, and one which I find compelling, but we would need more information to be sure.



I too think Mary Kelly is an interesting victim and may well have more to tell us. I'd be interested to hear why you think she knew her killer - I haven't a view on that one way or the other.



I really struggle to understand how anyone could commit the murders he did, but find it even harder to understand how he could do that to someone he knew. But then he isn't me.
Hi eten
RE why I think Mary knew her killer.

According to the witnesses, Mary was in the company of four men that night: Barnett, blotchy, hutch and aman. I would venture one of these men were Mary’s killer.

Barnett- ex boyfriend
Blotchy- there behavior indicates it was more than just a first night meeting.
Hutch- knew her for several years
Aman- probably fictional but even if real, behavior similar to blotchy.

My money is on blotchy or hutch.

And even if it wasn’t one of these four men, her being murdered in her own room indicates they knew each other.
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I too believe that Mary knew her killer and while that is certainly a tantalizing lead the problem is that "knew" could include someone she had just recently met even someone she had met earlier that day. I think her killer is someone we have no knowledge of.

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I too believe that Mary knew her killer and while that is certainly a tantalizing lead the problem is that "knew" could include someone she had just recently met even someone she had met earlier that day. I think her killer is someone we have no knowledge of.

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hi CD
if it wasn't one of the four men I mentioned then do you think the unknown killer was someone who came to her door or she went out again after blotchy/hutch/aman?
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Hello Abby,

My gut feeling is that she let someone in who she only knew slightly but who had made a tentative appointment to come by. I don't think it was any of the four previously mentioned. I think she was killed by the Ripper.

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