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Old 08-24-2010, 04:03 AM
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Has anyone actually looked into the measurements and therefore prove it was a joke or does everyone just dismiss ideas that don't fit the normal theories or that are posted by newbies and authors and imply they are stupid.
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Krinold,

The biggest issue is that the biblical cubit is typically based on the Babylonian cubit as that is where the Hebrews stole much of their mythology, and the English cubit is a different measurement. 2000 Babylonian cubits isn't close to the same as 2000 English cubits.

Myth.... BUSTED

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Has anyone actually looked into the measurements and therefore prove it was a joke or does everyone just dismiss ideas that don't fit the normal theories or that are posted by newbies and authors and imply they are stupid.
Krinoid,

Steady on - surely if you're right, there's no need to go on the defensive, is there?

I've certainly got better things to do with my life, but when I get out my old map and measure the distances between Mitre Square, Berner Street and Hanbury Street, I get three different values, making a scalene triangle. Do me a favour and have a go at this yourself.

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Glinert's book was first published in '05 and it received generally approving comments both here and in some of the journals. Like m_w_r, I always read Glinert's solution as a joke about overly complicated JtR theories. As far as I know, everyone read it that way except, apparently, you.
I went on the defensive (as you say) as I did not like the tone of the last sentence IMHO.
And as far as checking the facts: that is why I am asking the ripper experts on here-if anyone ever investigated these theories instead of just guessing they are wrong or humorous.
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Christopher Wren’s grand designs for a post-fire London in 1666 were buried in bureaucracy and never came into fruition. However, significant evidence does remain. Presumably through Cabbalist reasoning, Wren used the Jewish distance of 2000 cubits to place significant sites. For example, the eastern city boundary from ‘the centre-point’ of St Paul’s, at a distance of 2000 cubits, is St Dunstan In The East – a church for which Wren also designed the spire. Another 2000 cubits beyond that point lies Wellclose Square, a once exclusive estate and a site of pilgrimage for many London occultists and alchemists. The significance of the 2000 cubits is that it was the distance from the walls of Jerusalem to the Mount Of Olives (roughly two thirds of a mile) and is the farthest a Jew may travel on the Sabbath.
This suggests Wren had plans for a ‘New Jerusalem’ that he never had the chance to construct and that Wellclose square is the same distance from (Wren’s) City Of London as The Mount Of Olives was from Jerusalem. On the leyline running from St Paul’s directly out to Wellclose Square, roughly three quarters of the way along, is Fenchurch Street station. Hawksmoor’s St Mary Woolnoth church also sits directly on the ley line a quarter of the way out.

But then he says, he draws a horse head from this!!!
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Is this true this was started by Knight and the figure was originally 200 cubits, not 2,000?
In 1979 Stephen Knight published a book called "Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution". In it he suggests that there was plot by Freemasons to kill prostitutes within "200 cubits" of Wellclose Square. The evidence was quickly and thoroughly demolished by historians, and on his deathbed, Stephen Knight admitted he had been wrong.
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[quote=The Good Michael;145060]Krinold,

The biggest issue is that the biblical cubit is typically based on the Babylonian cubit as that is where the Hebrews stole much of their mythology, and the English cubit is a different measurement. 2000 Babylonian cubits isn't close to the same as 2000 English cubits.

Myth.... BUSTED
Maybe not "busted" as you so eloquently put and quick to jump on as the
exact unit is as quoted on the web for the cubit we are talking about is"
Sabbath Day's Journey 1,000 yards 914.4 m; 2,000 cubits;
3,000 feet"
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[ And that Hawksmoor positioned all his churches in these measurements to significant sites especially Wellclose Square which was the apex of the whole scheme which also had a Danish church with involvement from Hawksmoor. He then later says this church was still known to the locals as "st savior's church" and would have been known to prince Eddy as it was danish and researchers did not look into this in JTR the final solution era. He said there was a chapel in the school there that marriages took place.The choice of a chapel on W.S. the place created according to biblical instruction and masonic lore would have approval from masons.[/quote]
The St savior name mentioned above is true!

In the following year they rented the former DANISH CHURCH in Wellclose Square, which had been used by seafarers' missions but had lain empty for several years. It was named St Saviour and St Cross, an unusual dedication in England (though S. Croix and Santa Croce are common enough elsewhere in Europe). This reflected two new associations:
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This could almost be a Dan brown novel in the making.

In all seriousness, I don't get what you are trying to explain here? Churches, freemasons, 'esoteric', apex, horses head... what exactly are you trying to explain?
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This could almost be a Dan brown novel in the making.

In all seriousness, I don't get what you are trying to explain here? Churches, freemasons, 'esoteric', apex, horses head... what exactly are you trying to explain?
The horse's head I thought was very funny when I read that as that I was an item I found on the web and posted..
I was basically trying to ask the experts on here if they had read Glinert's book and could explain his theories as I thought he made a breakthrough especially on the importance of Wellclose square-I thought the Ripperologists were on here but they are ignoring my postings or just dismissing them without facts, so we will never know. W.S. no matter how you look at it has some significance to the early planners of London (Wren),many mystics (falk etc) lived there, The Ratcliffe hghwy murders (both of them) were literally across the street from the Square and Swedenborg squares(which adjoins it),both squares had signifacant churches next to each other and they were all next to another Hawksmoor church St george in the East.
Then Glinert stated those measurements and a lot made sense to me on why those Murder sites were chosen and no one never heard anything or saw anything at the time of those murders??I think some of them were placed there for a reason IMHO,but we will never know.
I almost get the idea there is a kind of snobbery on here that even if I am completely wrong, people are not open to new ideas and theories.

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