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Old 12-01-2018, 10:14 AM
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The dna that was called into question, as far as I know, was the dna of the killers not the victims.
The DNA called into question was that of Eddowes indicating that the blood on the shawl did not match the DNA of her descendant.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...o-9804325.html

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Old 12-01-2018, 11:16 AM
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As with any Ripper related 'evidence,' nothing is ever clear cut but this shawl shinanigan is riddled with problems, inconsistencies and scientific plot-holes that generally revolve around hearsay, totally broken (none-existant) provenance and a businessman's urge to make a name and thus a lot of money. Ingredients that make for a truly dubious outcome.

This shawl story, for me, is and has always been, standing on a wobbly foundation.
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:29 PM
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The chain of evidence for the so-called "Eddowes" shawl is non-existent. Its claimed provenance is that it came from the scene via a Metropolitan Police 'A' Division acting sergeant who had no business visiting Mitre Square - and almost certainly didn't. If he had visited the scene how could he justify the theft of the property of a murdered woman? He couldn't - and didn't. The DNA is just another red herring. Mitochondrial DNA is useful for eliminating suspects but has next to no value in convicting them. The shawl (if that's what it is) has been handled by countless individuals down the years including, in all probability, those descendants of both Eddowes and Kosminski to whom it has been shown. Given that contamination the presence of mitochondrial DNA is wholly unremarkable. Kosminski may or may not have killed Eddowes but the 'shawl' is evidentially worthless either way.
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The best bet of DNA recovery is behind the stamp of a possible ripper letter envelope. Even then you won't know for sure it was his letter or his saliva on the stamp, but it could tell us something through familial DNA testing. Could possibly be used to prove the letter a hoax of an enterprising journalist by again familial DNA testing.
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The best bet of DNA recovery is behind the stamp of a possible ripper letter envelope. Even then you won't know for sure it was his letter or his saliva on the stamp, but it could tell us something through familial DNA testing. Could possibly be used to prove the letter a hoax of an enterprising journalist by again familial DNA testing.
Cornwell tried this and failed miserably

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Cornwell tried this and failed miserably

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Ah yeah, I seem recall vaguely she may done it.

No full profile.

Still worth checking out to see who wrote the letter.
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Old 12-03-2018, 07:37 AM
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The DNA called into question was that of Eddowes indicating that the blood on the shawl did not match the DNA of her descendant.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...o-9804325.html

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Ah but then that means the dna link between Kosminski and the dna on the shawl still stand. That's even better. I'm betting the shawl was actually Kelly's. I seem to recall she was seen wearing a shawl and that it wasn't listed in her belongings.
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Ah but then that means the dna link between Kosminski and the dna on the shawl still stand. That's even better. I'm betting the shawl was actually Kelly's. I seem to recall she was seen wearing a shawl and that it wasn't listed in her belongings.
No the link to Kosinski was completely totally and thouroughly debunked.

There’s a long thread here showing it pulled apart.
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:35 AM
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You debunked genetic evidence? Where is this thread? I cannot find it with a search.
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Tracy I'anson and Chris Philips discovered the mistake in the DNA evidence.
Their work was widely reported in the press.

See this link for starters.

forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8370

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