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I know. That's where I got the info from, albeit I misread the line above (7th August) to arrive at 5:23 - besides, 5:23 or 5:25 is neither here nor there, when one remembers that the Long/Cadoche timings are only approximate. Suffice to say that the sun had only just risen, and would have been very low on the eastern horizon, probably not having cleared the roofs of East London at the time. So, whilst it wasn't "broad daylight", there'd have been plenty of dawn light for the killer to work with.
But there is no conclusive evidence to show she was killed at that time. Phillips suggests otherwise.

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I'm sure Sequeira was smart enough to take that into account. Besides, he was very familiar with the location:

"Crawford: You are acquainted with this locality, are you not?

Sequeira: Yes, very well; where the body was found would be the darkest corner. There would have been sufficient light, though, to admit of the infliction of the injuries without the aid of any additional light."
Been through this so many times .
He can't give a persepective on lighting if he wasn't there .
He also was a GP and not a surgeon , and of little experience .I doubt his knowledge of difficulty of kidney removal in that lighting was high up.the list .
How often would he have walked throuh the square with no moonlight and stood in that corner .
It means absolutely nothing .
It's Morris he should have asked not Sequeira .... oh wait .... Morris went back in to get his lamp ... because he knew how dark it would be .
Strange that
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But there is no conclusive evidence to show she was killed at that time. Phillips suggests otherwise.

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I agree
I believe she was killed earlier and elsewhere or Richardson couldn't have failed to see her
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So this explanation has them being murdered under some lighting conditions elsewhere and then deposited away from that place later. However wouldn't JtR have been able to carry out everything he wanted from Nichols onwards? Surely operating on Eddowes would have resulted in far less smash and grab and less facial cut randomness to his art? Half ears cut off?

This image suggests Eddowes was found in a considerable pool of blood around here.

Also, why carry Chapman through a house to dump her in the backyard?
That pool of blood you mention in the sketch is considerably smaller than you believe.
It was just one side of the neck and ran under the neck because of the pavement. A wine glass full would make that pool
Secondly you have to question the accuracy .
Eddowes was wearing three skirts and a petticoat according to the itinerary, so where are they ?
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But there is no conclusive evidence to show she was killed at that time. Phillips suggests otherwise.

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We know that, but that's a whole other topic. If we are to keep this thread focused on the murders as a whole, rather than disappearing down a Chapman rabbit-hole, it would be better to accept the usually accepted timings, if only for the sake of argument.
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Note the term "infliction of the injuries" no mention of the organ removals or the time needed to effect the removals
Again, I think Sequeira was smart enough not to omit anything, and was referring to the totality of the injuries, including organ removal - an act of injury in itself.
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Been through this so many times .
He can't give a persepective on lighting if he wasn't there
He was there, and furthermore very familiar with the locale.
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He also was a GP and not a surgeon
I'm sure GPs are just as capable on assessing the level of lighting and the practicalities of (crude) organ removal as a surgeon would have been. Sequeira came from a long line of distinguished medical practitioners, and was no fool.
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Eddowes was wearing three skirts and a petticoat according to the itinerary, so where are they ?
So, how did JTR see in the dark?

(We're only on page 2 of this thread, and we're already straying off-topic.)
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So, how did JTR see in the dark?

(We're only on page 2 of this thread, and we're already straying off-topic.)
I was responding to a question by the OP regarding a pool of blood .If the OP wishes his post to stray surely that's his/her choice .

Lighting ..... in answer to your question
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That pool of blood you mention in the sketch is considerably smaller than you believe.
It was just one side of the neck and ran under the neck because of the pavement. A wine glass full would make that pool
Secondly you have to question the accuracy .
Eddowes was wearing three skirts and a petticoat according to the itinerary, so where are they ?
There is blood all around the upper part of her body except maybe the top of her head.

What is written on the lower blood pool which even extends to legs?
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