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Old 10-24-2018, 01:17 AM
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Emma Smith died from internal injuries in a hospital due to a ruptured peritoneum from her private parts being attacked. She didn't have her neck slit.

Martha Tabram didn't have her neck slit either. She was stabbed to death. She died from bleeding.

Neither displays that the perpetrator had any experience with the slaughtering of animals by cutting their throats.

Between Emma Smith, Tabram and Nichols, we have the evolution of a serial killer who doesn't know how to murder someone quickly and when they figure that out, doesn't know if slicing the neck completely down to the spinal cord will be enough to make adventuring into her abdominal cavity less bloody.

The fact he sliced her neck down through all the major veins and arteries tells us that it MORE than what was needed to just cut the pulmonary artery. This is overkill and shows he hadn't got a clue.
So all the variations must point to different killers !

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There is no blood down her front. A trait of the C5 murders and more.

Her neck wasn't slit while she was standing vertically. Gravity and blood spray confounds such notions.

Chapman's arterial spray is on the fence, low down.

They were all prostrate before their necks were severed.

The crime scene descriptions of blood pooling also confirm this.
Take the blinkers off, you are seeing what you want see, and interpreting it in a way that fits your theory.

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Old 10-24-2018, 01:29 AM
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A "medical armchair expert" like Jason Payne James says that if ALL the arterial vessels in the neck are cut, then there can be no acute spasm stopping the blood from exiting quickly.

This is not in conflict with what Biggs says, and it is quite useful to know.
IF Being the word to which we do not have any definite answer, but as there appears to be no visible sign of specific arterial spray we must infer that that they were not all cut.

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IF Being the word to which we do not have any definite answer, but as there appears to be no visible sign of specific arterial spray we must infer that that they were not all cut.

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In the Nichols case, for example, we know that all the major vessels in the neck were indeed severed, but there is nevertheless no signs of any arterial spray. That makes me think that what Llewellyn said had a lot going for it: the cut to the neck came after the abdominal damage.
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The wounds are described in the autopsy report. All we need to know is that there are two puncture wounds on her private area, then these 3 or 4 slices and then the large jagged gash
For one thing, we don't have the autopsy report. For another, we can tell from various surviving sources that her wounds were far less tentative than depicted in that rather basic drawing.
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What reason is there to doubt that Emma Smith was murdered by a gang?
Tom Wescott is the reason.
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Old 10-24-2018, 02:10 AM
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Take the blinkers off, you are seeing what you want see, and interpreting it in a way that fits your theory.
Okay so Trevor, have it your McDonald's custom menu way. People standing up having their throats slashed from behind or in front, don't bleed down their fronts according to you.

Have at it with bells & whistles on.
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Tom Wescott is the reason.
And why do you have so much confidence in Tom's guesswork, some of which has already been proved to be wrong?
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And why do you have so much confidence in Tom's guesswork, some of which has already been proved to be wrong?
Simply because Tom's work leads me forward and I find new things, such as the geographic profile telling us the hot zone is associated with the very place he spends time writing about. Including this particular thread.

If there is a formal rebuttal of his work, I would like to read that.

There are also lots of questions Tom's book brings up.

Anyway, he doesn't have to be absolutely 100% correct.

He just has to be more correct than others.
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Simply because Tom's work leads me forward and I find new things, such as the geographic profile telling us the hot zone is associated with the very place he spends time writing about. Including this particular thread.

If there is a formal rebuttal of his work, I would like to read that.

There are also lots of questions Tom's book brings up.

Anyway, he doesn't have to be absolutely 100% correct.

He just has to be more correct than others.
But where he is leading you to? A complex conspiracy involving the 'Lords Spitalfields' and their minions, corrupt police officers and a Times-reading toff? A shadowy organisation led by a 'shadow man' who thought it a good idea to employ the chaotic alcoholic Pearly Poll as their agent?

One of Tom's red flags in the Smith case is that two women, Mary Russel and Annie Lee, accompanied Smith to the Whitechapel Hospital. The suggestion is that if the gang story had been true, two mere women wouldn't have dared to venture out onto the East End streets. I'm sure you see how silly that is.
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