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What I think we can be sure of is that the killer had little or no interest in Tabram's sexual organs or the interior workings of her body.
Didn`t Tabram receive a stab to her sexual organs ?
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Agreed, Abbey, but it could have been something as mundane as the killer thinking his knife might not have been up to the job of inflicting serious damage through the clothing. What I think we can be sure of is that the killer had little or no interest in Tabram's sexual organs or the interior workings of her body.
The frenzy explanation doesn't work. He switches weapons during the attack after stripping her down in part. That's like claiming someone in a frenzy changed guns. That's not a frenzy. They know damn well what they are doing. Hence the stab to her vagina. That's deliberate. We also don't know how severe it was because the detail was held back but Swanson suggests he was stabbed in the vagina.
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Didn`t Tabram receive a stab to her sexual organs ?
That's why I phrased it 'little or no'. One cut compared to 38 stabs elsewhere.
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That's why I phrased it 'little or no'. One cut compared to 38 stabs elsewhere.
But Nichols only had the one stab too ?
About the same amount of attention to the sexual organs with both Nichols and Tabram.
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That's why I phrased it 'little or no'. One cut compared to 38 stabs elsewhere.
How many cuts did Eddowes have on the lower part of her body compared to the upper part of her body?
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The frenzy explanation doesn't work. He switches weapons during the attack after stripping her down in part. That's like claiming someone in a frenzy changed guns. That's not a frenzy. They know damn well what they are doing. Hence the stab to her vagina. That's deliberate. We also don't know how severe it was because the detail was held back but Swanson suggests he was stabbed in the vagina.
If the cut to her lower part was deliberate - significant - then presumably the others were. A frenzy subsides eventually and the attacker is faced with the consequences of what he has done, including the possibility that his victim might survive the attack and ID him. That's the point at which he reaches for his second weapon and finishes the job.
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If the cut to her lower part was deliberate - significant - then presumably the others were. A frenzy subsides eventually and the attacker is faced with the consequences of what he has done, including the possibility that his victim might survive the attack and ID him. That's the point at which he reaches for his second weapon and finishes the job.
More likely is that his larger blade got stuck in her sternum, so he took the time to pull it out and then switched to a different blade.
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But Nichols only had the one stab too ?
About the same amount of attention to the sexual organs with both Nichols and Tabram.
The lack of attention to their sexual organs is indeed a problem for someone claiming that what conclusively links them is that they were both clearly 'lust murders'.
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A frenzy subsides eventually and the attacker is faced with the consequences of what he has done, including the possibility that his victim might survive the attack and ID him. That's the point at which he reaches for his second weapon and finishes the job.
I would think the killer`s main concern is the victim calling out during the attack.
He has learned that it`s safer for him to cut the throat rather than stab the body 39 times.
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More likely is that his larger blade got stuck in her sternum, so he took the time to pull it out and then switched to a different blade.
If so, then his first thought was above waist. Below it seems to have been an afterthought. A very odd lust murderer.
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