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Not to mention confusing a report of the Nichols murder with that of Annie Chapman on page 6. Pretty shoddy.
I agree, pass shoddy even.

He has the Chapman date correct but the events surrounding the discovery of the body and the timing belong to Polly Nichols, at least in the first paragraph. Then in the second paragraph he correctly places Annie at 29 Hanbury Street.

This is a very big mistake and discredits the report.
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Speaking of page six:

"Suffice to say, Annie Chapman was killed in the darkness of morning."

Dawn was at 4:51 a.m., sunrise at 5:25 a.m., so I would humbly suggest that this is not a proven 'fact,' and is, indeed, very much in doubt. But we're a tough crowd.
Yes, yesterday I was watching Jack the Ripper: The Definitive Story (BTW which had wonderful computer recreations of the streets of Whitechaepl; fun to view) which suggested that Dark Annie may have been murdered with the sun already up. But maybe I misunderstood what they were trying to explain; they were trying to make conflicting testimony work.
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Yes, yesterday I was watching Jack the Ripper: The Definitive Story (BTW which had wonderful computer recreations of the streets of Whitechaepl; fun to view) which suggested that Dark Annie may have been murdered with the sun already up. But maybe I misunderstood what they were trying to explain; they were trying to make conflicting testimony work.
At 5:30 the sun was beginning to rise...it would have been light out.
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At 5:30 the sun was beginning to rise...it would have been light out.
Here's a view of the eastern horizon from London - with a generic, rural background image I hasten to add! - at 5:30 on that morning, using the astronomical software "Stellarium"

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Doesn't a 5:30 killing put Dark Annie on the streets alone for over three hours; I wonder what she was doing; where she walked? Evans (Donovan) escorted Annie out of the lodging house around 2 AM, where did she go?

She had to be circling, Whitechapel isn't that large; how may times did she cross paths with the Ripper before he chose her?

At any point did she crawl off into an ally and catch some zzzs?

It is hard to figure, she was up all night, ending her already long day with a three and a half hour walk, and then come pre-dawn she still has the energy to score a trick.

Can John Richardson sit on the stoop's top step and miss Annie's body laying (behind the backyard door) to his left. If he could, then Annie could have been murdered any time after 2:30 AM.
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Can John Richardson sit on the stoop's top step and miss Annie's body laying (behind the backyard door) to his left.
A few people argue that, but I'm not one of them. To my mind, there's no way he could have missed the body.
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