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Old 12-21-2009, 09:58 PM
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I remember reading somewhere but can't find it now, that MJK had either a false tooth or a 'strange' tooth. I wondered if anyone knows where this was mentioned and whether there was any reference to it anywhere in identifying her body.

I have noticed that all the victims had teeth missing but I suppose back then that would be the norm.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:46 PM
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Maggyan,

I believe there was also talk by one witness she had a "speech impediment", which alerted me to the fact that Mary Kelly wasn't only known and recognised by her appearance and looks, but what SOUND she made. Think of it in a pub.. voices, somewhere in the room you hear THAT sound.. that way of talking. You know who it is before you even turn around to look.

As regards the strange tooth... I always think of the picture of Jill the Ripper, Mrs Mary Pearcey... strange. Marys both.

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Old 12-23-2009, 09:55 PM
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The Tooth is out there!

I thought it was Stride who had something wrong with her mouth.
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Yes Mike,
the tooth is that Stride was called "Mother Gum".
As to the speech impediment, that's the good Joe, not Mary.

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Old 12-23-2009, 10:10 PM
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Was the "Mother Gum" natural, or acci-dental? I recall a case of a lady living on the outskirts of Hull being kicked by a mule and having a deformity of the lower lip. This was in the early 1800's.
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Apparently, "all the teeth on the left lower jaw were absent."
And then there is the lips problem, as it seems.

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As to the speech impediment, that's the good Joe, not Mary.
Actually, Dave, Mary Kelly was indeed said to have spoken "with a kind of impediment" - albeit this account is by Mrs Maxwell, who also had Kelly down as a fat, dark-haired midget.

Dodgy as Maxwell's recall might be in respect of Kelly, it at least has the merit of being contemporary testimony, which is more than can be said apropos Barnett's supposed impediment. The first we hear of this is in Bruce Paley's book, The Simple Truth, where he speculates that Barnett suffered from "echolalia", based on a newspaper report that Barnett repeated the last words of the questions he was asked at Kelly's inquest.
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Many thanks, Sam,
I've always baulked at this "echolalia" topos. So it comes from Paley...
But was there anything about Barnett being a stammerer? We've heard this many times, right?

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Old 12-28-2009, 06:44 PM
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Hello you all!

First of all, if MJK had had any false teeth, surely the coroner's report would mention the thing.

Mrs. Maxwell did obviously make a mistake with Mary Kelly, but probably there were other Mary Kellies too out there...

What it comes to the speech impediment, it's quite possible, that her accent gave the impression.

For example; if Peter Birchwood is on the right track with his research, I am shooah, that a Bostonian undertone would sound strange in an average Cockney's ears.

Yes, Sam, and Welsh too!

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Hello JR. I wonder how "theveral thaditious Thaducees" would thound--I mean sound?

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