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Old 10-02-2017, 11:57 PM
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Great find, Jon.. I particularly like the fact that it mentions verbatim court reporting... presumably a sought after skill, which has served us well!
Clearly some of the reporters employed were not very good with the verbatim side of their jobs

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In October and first week of November,whatever they did,they were successful in preventing a ripper killing and it prompted the killer to kill indoors.
But in November 8-9,especially between 11:00 PM-5 Am,the killer was given his first "free pass".So he took it immediately.In the streets it was better with no copsthan having them no matter what the circumstances the killer meet the victim, so the killer took advantage of it.The damn geezer wanted a parade.


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Don't know if it's been asked or mentioned before, but did Mary Ann Cox give more detail as to where she was from 1.00am to 3.00am on the morning of MJK's murder? Cox herself put herself in a situation where it easily could have been her that became the Ripper's victim that morning.It's also rather odd that Hutch did not see Cox returning to Miller's court at 3.00am since he did not leave until 3.15am. And of course Cox doesn't recall seeing anyone in the Court, but does say that MJK's room was quiet and there was no light coming from it.
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Don't know if it's been asked or mentioned before, but did Mary Ann Cox give more detail as to where she was from 1.00am to 3.00am on the morning of MJK's murder?
I'm not sure there is any further info on where Cox was between 1:00 - 3:00 am.

Although the court record does give 3:00 am as the time Cox came back, the Daily News gives "about 3:00 am". Both the Times & Morning Advertiser give 3:10 am.
If Cox really gave 3:10 as the time then it may have been rounded up to 3:00 by most writers, and that would also justify the D.N. writing "about 3:00".
It's more difficult to explain why two different sources would give 3:10 if she really said 3:00.

3:10 would also explain why Hutch didn't see her. He told the press he left the scene as, "the clock struck three o'clock."
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I don't remember any,but the way she was acting she was "prostituting",the inquest did not have to know that.
Yeah Cox should have been the main or secondary witness and walked through the district to spot/identify Blotchy,as far as is known
the police did not do it,did not value her testimony enough,it's clear Abberline made a mistake.as Swanson was with Schwartz,they got
derailed by Hutch.The Stride and Kelly inquest's conclusion/implication are being ignored by many,Brown was the last man seen in Stride's case
and Lewis's lurking man in the Kelly case.I look at both inquest's conclusion/implication as fact.

I think Cox could have been a victim but Kelly was ready to get "cooked".

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It is believed to be the medical opinion that the woman was killed in her sleep, or while in a partially comatose condition arising from drink.

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It doesn't matter how quick it would have taken. He wasn't asked to give that evidence.
There was a plan to have him give evidence in another day of that inquest but that too was cut short by the police,who else.

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Did you ever hear her say she was afraid of anyone? - Yes, she used to get me to bring her evening papers....

Here a note was handed into the court from Dr. Phillips asking if he should attend to-day to give his evidence.

The Coroner thought he should just give them roughly an idea of the cause of death, leaving the details of his evidence for a future day, and dispatched a message to that effect.


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