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I have to confess that SH's claim regarding what JH is reported to have said in court about the traffic island is new to me. Can this please be checked by someone with access to the trial proceedings?

Indeed, what did happen to the picture house? I have an admittedly imperfect memory of someone on the pre-crash Forum doing some digging on the spot in Liverpool, and who discovered that there never was a picture-house opposite Cowley's shop. Which does not mean to say that there were no picture-houses at all on Scotland Rd., and that another of the 29 sweet-shops could well have been situated opposite one.
Hanratty made a statement on 30-12-1961 wherein he stated that the sweetshop "was a corner shop by traffic lights and gent's toilets and ladie's toilets" [see post # 4946].
As previously mentioned there were 2 cinemas on either side of Scotland Road a few hundred yards before Hanratty reached the sweet shop that Tuesday afternoon. After alighting from the bus my guess is that Hanratty used the zebra crossing, [on the right hand side of the attached photo] finding himself on that triangular shaped traffic island.
The gent's and ladie's toilets which he mentioned are underlined in red in the photo. Also, as indicated in the photo by a green arrow, there was the site of the famous Rotunda Theatre a very short distance away. I don't know what stood on the site back in August 1961 as the theatre was bombed in the May blitz of 1941.
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Hanratty made a statement on 30-12-1961 wherein he stated that the sweetshop "was a corner shop by traffic lights and gent's toilets and ladie's toilets" [see post # 4946].
As previously mentioned there were 2 cinemas on either side of Scotland Road a few hundred yards before Hanratty reached the sweet shop that Tuesday afternoon. After alighting from the bus my guess is that Hanratty used the zebra crossing, [on the right hand side of the attached photo] finding himself on that triangular shaped traffic island.
The gent's and ladie's toilets which he mentioned are underlined in red in the photo. Also, as indicated in the photo by a green arrow, there was the site of the famous Rotunda Theatre a very short distance away. I don't know what stood on the site back in August 1961 as the theatre was bombed in the May blitz of 1941.
There is little doubt that the description of the sweet shop given in the December 1961 statement ( which was not made to the police but was taken by Hanratty's solicitor) fairly describes the location of Cowley's newsagents but none of this was said by Hanratty prior to Mrs Dinwoodie being found and Kleinman verifying the location of the shop. In its early form, Hanratty's description omitted traffic islands, zebra crossings, and gents and ladies toilets but included a picture house which was opposite the sweet shop; see Foot p190.

The postal address of Cowley's was 408 Scotland Road whereas the Derby cinema was 318a-322 Scotland Rd, in other words on the same side of the road. One can still see the facade of the old picture house on 2017 Google Streetview of the building which is now being used as an aparthotel called "The Picturehouse", perhaps in honour of Jim's 1961 description.

The Gaiety is on the opposite side of the road but was quite some distance away, having a postal address of 41-45 Scotland Road. Could a picture house at 41-45 Scotland Road fairly be said to be opposite a newsagents at 408 Scotland Road? I venture to say not.

Local Liverpool historian, Philip Mayer gives a potted history of the Gaiety here on Flickr. It would seem that both the Gaiety and its sister cinema, the nearby Derby closed on the same date, 14 May 1960.
And here is what he writes about the Derby
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And here is the Derby as it is now.
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