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There will always be a massive gulf between Trump supporters and non-supporters on what he allegedly delivers because there are different views on what counts as delivered. I.e. if it is about progressing Russia's Foreign Policy or damaging the environment then yes, I agree he delivers. Anyways, different people have different priorities.

About the WaPo, they have journalistic standards to defend and are fact checking as much as possible. Yes, I am happy that they have fact checked 4000+ statements as lies and have have not come across a single one that I know and can show to be incorrect. Why don't you try it yourself?

This leaves us with the fact of lying. It matters because the decorum of the presidency and society in general matters. What we are witnessing here is the moral castration of the GOP and the evangelicals. Once it's down to "I don't care as long as he hates the same people that I hate? BRAVO!!!" Then a serious rethink is needed.
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Good work, Svensson. I think Trump's supporters do truly believe he is championing them against the lying press and the evil Deep State. The fact that these things most likely do not exist (well, except in Russia), doesn't bother them. It's true the economy seems better, and unemployment is down, but will Chinese tariffs on American imports change those facts?
How will we manage when prices climb to offset the extra charges to the manufacturers?

I think Trump has delivered hatred, bigotry, chaos and confusion on a world stage. He is inflicting damage on the environment, human rights, simp!e decency, and to quote Bob Dylan "The Times They Are A'Changin'"-- the sooner the better. Let's hope the pendulum swings back to a more sensible government.
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There will always be a massive gulf between Trump supporters and non-supporters on what he allegedly delivers because there are different views on what counts as delivered. I.e. if it is about progressing Russia's Foreign Policy or damaging the environment then yes, I agree he delivers. Anyways, different people have different priorities.
"Russia's foreign policy?"

When the EU and USA backed the coup of a democratically elected government in Ukraine because they were too pro-Russia and then stood back while Russia annexed Crimea what exactly was Obama's policy on Russia?
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"When the EU and USA backed the coup of a democratically elected government in Ukraine"

Erm. Sure.

Again, this highlights the problem. Trump is lying to justify his narrative. We know why he does it which makes it so important that someone like the WaPo have taken on this impossible task.

Still, my point was the fact that he is lying like no one else before ( at least not is a democratic administration) as this is pretty much undisputed and I have stated why I find this a problem, no matter what the party affiliation actually is. If this is no issue for you, then you at least need to accept that the GOPs inaction on Trump's constant lying will disqualify them from making any moral judgment on other politicians on international matters for a generation. That IS a problem IMO.

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