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Default Why did Abberline believe Hutch ?

This is a question I've long been thinking about.
I believe I've found the answer, but I'd be pleased to hear you all...
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Old 06-10-2014, 01:22 PM
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Hi,
Most likely because he came across as a genuine guy, and some of his account could be verified..
Regard Richard.
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This is a question I've long been thinking about.
I believe I've found the answer, but I'd be pleased to hear you all...
1.because hutch came in voluntarily as a witness.
2. If the press report of hutch being of military bearing is accurate it would have added a level of initial credibility.
3.hutch said he was a friend of Mary Kellys and knew her and then shortly thereafter IDed her body.
4.abberline was probably exhausted, stressed out and vulnerable to being overly oppptimistic when presented with a witness who said he knew the victim well, gave a good description of the probable killer, could ID the man again, etc.
5. It's basic human nature to Beleive what someone is telling you unless later things come to light which point to the opposite.
6.MOST IMPORTANT IMHO, abberline just came from the inquest where he had just heard and/or reheard Sarah Lewis corroborate (part of)hutch's story of actually being there as the waity watchy man.
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Hi Richard,

the only thing that could be verified is that the VH would not let him in.

What else ?
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Hello DVV, all,

Mary Kelly's death left the police with yet another ghastly murder by an unknown hand so Abberline and his colleagues must have been under heavy pressure. As Hutch was one of the few witnesses who came up with a relatively detailed testimony (the possibility of him having made it all up or altered the facts in order to protect himself notwithstanding), Abberline may have been more inclined to believe or at least listen to him than he would have been in a less urging situation. Beggars can't be choosers.

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5. It's basic human nature to Beleive what someone is telling you unless later things come to light which point to the opposite.
Not for an investigating police officer. Certain professions start to doubt everything they are trained that way.
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Hello DVV, all,

Mary Kelly's death left the police with yet another ghastly murder by an unknown hand so Abberline and his colleagues must have been under heavy pressure. As Hutch was one of the few witnesses who came up with a relatively detailed testimony (the possibility of him having made it all up or altered the facts in order to protect himself notwithstanding), Abberline may have been more inclined to believe or at least listen to him than he would have been in a less urging situation. Beggars can't be choosers.

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There were other witnesses that were unbelieved, look at Packer and Maxwell as two that spring to mind.
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Hi Bolo

A much sensible post, but bear in mind that they all had a theory already ("Theories ! theories !").
Years after, Abberline believed Phillips to be true...which means he thought like this years before.

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Just as GUT very sensibly points out, policemen are trained not to believe everything they are told, no matter if it is something they want to hear or not.
Policemen check things out before they arrive at a verdict of believing or disbelieving.
And that was exactly what Abberline did. He interrogated Hutchinson. He questioned him on every point of importance, and his sole purpose for doing this was that he wanted to establish if Hutchinson told the truth or not.

Obviously, Hutchinson responded well to the interrogation, giving answers that seemingly confirmed that he was telling the truth about all the parameters involved. Matters that could be verified would have checked out, just as Richard says.

I also think that the police would have gathered references from people in HutchinsonŽs circle of aquaintances and relatives, to whatever extent such a thing was possible; dosshouse keepers, working comrades, family members etcetera, all in order to get a clear picture of what kind of track record Hutchinson had with these people.

This in combination would have been what led Abberline to believe that Hutchinson was truthful.

Ungrounded optimism and high hopes would not have played any role. Fatigue on behalf of Abberline could have, to some extent - he could have forgotten to ask a vital question or two, for example, but which questions needed to be asked would have been very much a matter of routine.

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1.because hutch came in voluntarily as a witness.
2. If the press report of hutch being of military bearing is accurate it would have added a level of initial credibility.
3.hutch said he was a friend of Mary Kellys and knew her and then shortly thereafter IDed her body.
4.abberline was probably exhausted, stressed out and vulnerable to being overly oppptimistic when presented with a witness who said he knew the victim well, gave a good description of the probable killer, could ID the man again, etc.
5. It's basic human nature to Beleive what someone is telling you unless later things come to light which point to the opposite.
6.MOST IMPORTANT IMHO, abberline just came from the inquest where he had just heard and/or reheard Sarah Lewis corroborate (part of)hutch's story of actually being there as the waity watchy man.
forgot one:
7. serial killers are known to be pretty good liars.
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