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Old 08-06-2017, 04:28 AM
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Relax, Herlock; it's a Lechmere thread. You'll probably find yourself posting something similar again in a few years' time
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:36 AM
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Of course, one doesn't have to belong to any kind of transport/delivery industry. There are many serial killers, covering a wide range of professions, who relied on vehicles in order to pick up and/or dispose of their victims - Bundy, Rader, Fred West, Bittaker/Norris, von Einem, Ridgway, Bianchi, Shawcross... the list goes on. All heavily used vehicles in the commission of their crimes, but none of them were professional truckers.

Perhaps it's simply "mobility" that's the key, rather than the nature of the killers' jobs themselves.
Yes, regarding long distance lorry drivers, for example. I seriously doubt there's anything inherent in the profession that's apt to transform an erstwhile perfectly balanced individual into a maniacal serial killer.

A more viable explanation is that individuals pre-disposed to become serial killers are more likely to be drawn to that type of work, I.e. because of the opportunities it brings.
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A more viable explanation is that individuals pre-disposed to become serial killers are more likely to be drawn to that type of work, I.e. because of the opportunities it brings.
Indeed, although that doesn't seem to have inspired Bundy, Rader (etc) to become long-haul truckers. They got along perfectly well on their own two feet, or four wheels as the case may be
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Just to clarify, I didn't state that this thread was "bound to go nowhere" just because it's Fisherman and it's Lechmere and everyone here has some clear anti-Lechmere agenda.

I said that it was bound to go nowhere because Lechmere was not the equivalent of a long distance lorry driver. There was no equivalent really. He was a local delivery man who went home to his family after work. There is no known correlation between local delivery men and serial killing, neither then nor now, as far as I've ever heard. Neither was Lechmere involved in butchery, any more than a newspaper boy is involved in journalism.

And if these very real distinctions were clear to me, with my weak eyesight and pornography-rotted faculties, then they were evidently going to be clear to the far cleverer, healthier, wiser chaps and ladies on the boards.

Hence, this thread was never gong to go anywhere.

And it's no good now trying to claim that it could have led to an interesting discussion regardless of the whole Lechmere angle: your first post was quite clearly written to propose an 'involvement' between Lechmere and 'the only two professions to have a known link to serial killing'.

Incidentally, have I missed it or has Christer acknowledged yet that local delivery men still exist, are a profession distinct from long-haul truckers, and have no recognized correlation with serial murderers?

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Just to clarify, I didn't state that this thread was "bound to go nowhere" just because it's Fisherman and it's Lechmere and everyone here has some clear anti-Lechmere agenda.

I said that it was bound to go nowhere because Lechmere was not the equivalent of a long distance lorry driver. There was no equivalent really. He was a local delivery man who went home to his family after work. There is no known correlation between local delivery men and serial killing, neither then nor now, as far as I've ever heard. Neither was Lechmere involved in butchery, any more than a newspaper boy is involved in journalism.

And if these very real distinctions were clear to me, with my weak eyesight and pornography-rotted faculties, then they were evidently going to be clear to the far cleverer, healthier, wiser chaps and ladies on the boards.

Hence, this thread was never gong to go anywhere.

And it's no good now trying to claim that it could have led to an interesting discussion regardless of the whole Lechmere angle: your first post was quite clearly written to propose an 'involvement' between Lechmere and 'the only two professions to have a known link to serial killing'.

Incidentally, have I missed it or has Christer acknowledged yet that local delivery men still exist, are a profession distinct from long-haul truckers, and have no recognized correlation with serial murderers?
Hi Henry,

I can't help seeing the funny side of being on a thread where someone has just asked if someone else will admit to the existence of local delivery men. Those elusive, enigmatic, ghostly figures haunting the highways and byways of our towns and cities! You'll be suggesting that Postmen exist next!
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Hi Henry,

I can't help seeing the funny side of being on a thread where someone has just asked if someone else will admit to the existence of local delivery men. Those elusive, enigmatic, ghostly figures haunting the highways and byways of our towns and cities! You'll be suggesting that Postmen exist next!
Ha! Phantom killers, spectral local delivery men, what the heck....
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Ha! Phantom killers, spectral local delivery men, what the heck....
... "Finding FedEx"

Seriously, I think the correlations between OTR (over-the-road) truck drivers and London carmen are not there, and neither are the characteristics which are supposedly showed: Lechmere did not work at night (at least, he wasn't at the time of the Nichols murder), but apparently in the early morning. As a driver, he wasn't alone for long stretches of time, because apparently one or more assistants rode in the cart to unload the cargo. As far as being exposed to prostitution -- well, that was normal for any East Ender of the time and place.
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Old 08-07-2017, 03:35 AM
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... "Finding FedEx"
I'd watch that!

Or how about....

Slice Road Truckers ?
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IF it could be proven that Lichmere did deliver meat, cat meat especially, MAYBE he could have made deliveries to 29 Hanbury street. After all, the front room of 29 was apparently used as a shop where they sold cat's meat. This way he could have gained knowledge of the dwelling, the people that came and went, the doors that were unable to be locked, etc He was also about 39 to 40 at the time of the murders I believe and Liz Long said she saw someone around 40 years of age with the deceased. Of course she also said someone dark (foreign potentially) which could render Lechmere not the suspect seen with her, unless she was mistaken on that point. I have to say anyway I did enjoy the missing evidence documentary. The 1 thing that made me most curious about Lichmere when watching it was the issue with the blood and the apparent amount of time spent alone with the body. Did Paul not see the blood due to there not being enough light? Maybe PC John Neil only saw it thanks to his torch. If that was the case then MAYBE the blood was actually present when Paul was there. Also regarding Lichmere giving the name Cross, maybe that was due to his step father Thomas Cross being a constable. Did he think having a stepfather who was a constable will gain him favor with Mizen? Im no heavyweight expert like most people on here unfortunately and there's alot of "if's" and "maybe's" in these sentences, however I just figured it would be OK to share the idea's anyway.
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