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Old 12-03-2018, 08:40 AM
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thanks for the response and I really have no problem with anything you say here. just a couple of points.




i go with your number 2 above. I remeber reading an expert on cockney/victorian language that it means-the jews wont take the blame for anything. meaning they should.


also, abberline and others beleived it was meant to incriminate the jews at the time.


I don't think a jewish killer would implicate himself or incriminate his own kind-hence a gentile.





I think BS man was using the lipski slur/shout to scare off Schwartz, who looked very jewish according abberline.




interesting-but at no time does Schwartz state that he was a foreigner let alone polish. he also dosnt seem to be confused at what the man shouted. it was lipski-a slur used by local people against jews.

so I disagree- I doubt a jewish killer would use a jewish slur against another jewish man-hence a gentile.
Thanks for replying Abby

Just one point, apparently all BS man said was the lipski or something liked it. How would Schwartz be able to form an opinion of the man's nationality from one word, particularly a non British name or word.


We will I hope happily agree to disagree on the gentile/non Gentile point.


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Old 12-03-2018, 08:56 AM
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Thanks for replying Abby

Just one point, apparently all BS man said was the lipski or something liked it. How would Schwartz be able to form an opinion of the man's nationality from one word, particularly a non British name or word.


We will I hope happily agree to disagree on the gentile/non Gentile point.


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Well at least one threat talking sense rather than trying to resurrect patterns and shawls and other debunked rubbish.

Not that I necessarily agree with your profile, but at least it is well reasoned.
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Well at least one threat talking sense rather than trying to resurrect patterns and shawls and other debunked rubbish.

Not that I necessarily agree with your profile, but at least it is well reasoned.
Thanks gut. Appreciate it.
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Aged 28-43
Below average height
Stout, powerfully built
Light brown/ ginger hair
mustache
Local, lived in immediate area
Walked when committing murders, possible use of cart
English
Gentile
Steady work, probably involving manuel labor
Lower class but not poor
Had own place, though modest
Frequented pubs and drinker
Single or dominated wife
Knew prostitues and socialized with
Had problems having sex
Former military and or navy/ sailor
Very familiar with knife
Accustomed to carrying knife before murder spree
Appears very cocky to people
Thinks he is smarter than anyone else
Self assured
Cunning
Experience cutting up animals
Probable anatomical knowledge, possible medical/surgical experience
NO or very light criminal record
No overt mental illness
Read newspapers
Main motivation-Fascinated with the female body and what his knife could do to it
Possible masterbation and or cannibalism with trophies/ parts
Secondary motivation-Enjoyed shocking / toying with the public
Looked down on police
No interest in torture, all interest post mortem
Curiosity big factor in motivation
All good but how can you glean these from the inquests,hard to over-extend.Knew where the prostitutes are early in the morning,sure.Anatomical knowledge,yes.Living locally I disagree,killing at the end of the month and 8th,he was on a fixed schedule,a visitor.As posted before the chances were small he only killed in these 2 dates.Killed between past midnight to Cadosche's 5:20 AM sure,direction from Mitre square to Goulston sure.Not uncomfortable being seen with the victims sure minutes before their murder sure.Long was not asked about the man's accent when he said "will you",it would narrowed it down a little bit.Would Long say "foreigner" if the pronunciation was local?

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Former military and or navy/ sailor-many serial killers are and peaked cap-"like a sailor would wear".
A former military man is frequently overlooked, but would partly explain the obsession with mutilation that occurred on the battlefields .
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:22 AM
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Abby is incorrect on one thing, at least.
The killer was not a gentile, he was almost certainly a jew.
Read leviticus and you will see.

leviticus 9:20 and placed these on the breasts. Aaron burned the fat portions on the altar,
but he waved the breasts and the right thigh as a wave offering before the LORD


mary kelly's breasts were cut off and placed about her, while her right-thigh was hacked to the bone.

it's often asked why the killer targeted the kidney in eddowes' murder. quite a random organ to target and not the easiest to extract.
leviticus 3:4 holds the answer

the victims' throats were not cut for exsanguination, although that might be an incidental factor.
the killer wanted to ensure his victims were kosher before he sacrificed them.

we're dealing with a mission-oriented, jewish serial killer. he saw the C5 as human sacrifices.
there's no evidence the killer derived any sexual enjoyment from these murders.
no signs of rape or sexual assault.
these were trespass offerings that the killer thought would right some wrong (perhaps cavorting with ladies of the night).
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:29 AM
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Abby is incorrect on one thing, at least.
The killer was not a gentile, he was almost certainly a jew.
Read leviticus and you will see.

leviticus 9:20 and placed these on the breasts. Aaron burned the fat portions on the altar,
but he waved the breasts and the right thigh as a wave offering before the LORD


mary kelly's breasts were cut off and placed about her, while her right-thigh was hacked to the bone.

it's often asked why the killer targeted the kidney in eddowes' murder. quite a random organ to target and not the easiest to extract.
leviticus 3:4 holds the answer

the victims' throats were not cut for exsanguination, although that might be an incidental factor.
the killer wanted to ensure his victims were kosher before he sacrificed them.

we're dealing with a mission-oriented, jewish serial killer. he saw the C5 as human sacrifices.
there's no evidence the killer derived any sexual enjoyment from these murders.
no signs of rape or sexual assault.
these were trespass offerings that the killer thought would right some wrong (perhaps cavorting with ladies of the night).
hi harry
did you forget to add the winky thing? or are you serious with this?

also, I thought you were a Bury man-not a jew.
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A former military man is frequently overlooked, but would partly explain the obsession with mutilation that occurred on the battlefields.
This takes us back to Tabram where there is a possible military connection with PC Barnett's meeting with one.

At times JtR witnesses described seeing someone walk briskly with a military type look.

I like the idea of a military man because this would explain how he subdued all his victims so fast in a blitz attack. Almost like close quarter combat techniques. Silencing them quickly. A military man need not be skilled in medical matters but I am pretty sure they would know where the vitals are.

Having said that I also like the idea that JtR was a boxer. Short but squat and solid. A boxer was a suspect in the Jack the Stripper cases.
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This takes us back to Tabram where there is a possible military connection with PC Barnett's meeting with one.

At times JtR witnesses described seeing someone walk briskly with a military type look.

I like the idea of a military man because this would explain how he subdued all his victims so fast in a blitz attack. Almost like close quarter combat techniques. Silencing them quickly. A military man need not be skilled in medical matters but I am pretty sure they would know where the vitals are.

Having said that I also like the idea that JtR was a boxer. Short but squat and solid. A boxer was a suspect in the Jack the Stripper cases.
yes and ive often seen the mistake on here that people rule out tabram was a ripper victim, because her killer was probably one of the soldiers.
the two aren't mutually exclusive.
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