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It’s very interesting!

Hopefully Dr Nini’s analysis can complement any other associated research e.g. hand writing analysis etc.

I’ll note here that Sue Iremonger identified Dear Boss, Saucy Jack and the ‘threat letter’ of 8/10/88 as being in the same hand (I am aware some people dispute this and say the latter is a skilful copy).

Personally I’m not sold on the idea that Bulling physically wrote Dear Boss or Saucy Jack because he’s handwriting from the Moab and Midian transcription is not the same.

But I suspect the cause for suspicion that he hoaxed the letters stems from the Moab and Midian episode.

Another thing to consider is that, although Bulling transcribing Moab and Midian looks very dodgy to us, considering the scarcity of surviving documentation on file, we don’t really know what happened here i.e. why he transcribed it and whether the police did end up seeing the ‘original’ letter (if it existed). And then of course the envelope is missing too.

We do know that Swanson was comparing letters in 1896 so it could not have been clearly established that they were hoaxes at that time.

And then there’s the old argument that if they had proof Bulling, Moore or someone else had hoaxed them then you would expect that they would have been charged e.g. Maria Coroner. IIRC Chris Scott also established that Bulling continued to work as a journalist post his Bismarck sacking.

If only because Bulling and Moore are mentioned by Littlechild I do think they’re much stronger candidates for hoaxing journalists than suspects like Harry Dam, Nigel Mooreland’s Best and Andrew Cook’s Frederick Best (the claims against the last two I find a little suspect).

I also entertain the idea that some incoming official such as Melville McNaughton may have reviewed the case at a later stage i.e. post 1888, came across the Moab and Midian letter and possibly without knowing the undocumented or lost documented story behind it assumed as many people do today that it was highly suspicious and the “enterprising journalist” idea was born from there. Just a thought.
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I thought someone else copied and sent the Moab letter, not bulling?

Anyway, I don’t think anyone from the cna hoaxed any of the letters. Why hoax a letter and then hold it back before sending to police? The whole reason was supposedly to drum up business, and if you held back the letter, you could get scooped by someone else or the killer himself! Nope you’d want to send it off as soon as you were done with it.

I don’t place to much faith in the police story later of it being a journalist. Kind of par for the course with these higher ups police making up excuses for never catching the killer. Pretty embarrassing especially if you have such a good clue of a confession letter.

I think there is a good chance the 1896 letter was from same author as saucy jack/dear boss. It just has the same feel, tone...even the handwriting was similar, enough for the police to warrant a comparison. I have letters from hell, and all the others are really bad copy cats. To me winters coming letter is only one that stands out as being possibly also authentic
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"Anyway, I don’t think anyone from the cna hoaxed any of the letters. Why hoax a letter and then hold it back before sending to police? The whole reason was supposedly to drum up business, and if you held back the letter, you could get scooped by someone else or the killer himself! Nope you’d want to send it off as soon as you were done with it."

And address it to Central News OFFICE rather than Agency as well!
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"Anyway, I don’t think anyone from the cna hoaxed any of the letters. Why hoax a letter and then hold it back before sending to police? The whole reason was supposedly to drum up business, and if you held back the letter, you could get scooped by someone else or the killer himself! Nope you’d want to send it off as soon as you were done with it."

And address it to Central News OFFICE rather than Agency as well!
That’s a great point spider. This is first time I’ve heard someone bring that up, and I never caught that.

That is definitely the final nail in the coffin for me that it was written by anyone at the CNA. Or another journalist.
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Hi phantom
I thought someone else copied and sent the Moab letter, not bulling?

Anyway, I don’t think anyone from the cna hoaxed any of the letters. Why hoax a letter and then hold it back before sending to police? The whole reason was supposedly to drum up business, and if you held back the letter, you could get scooped by someone else or the killer himself! Nope you’d want to send it off as soon as you were done with it.

I don’t place to much faith in the police story later of it being a journalist. Kind of par for the course with these higher ups police making up excuses for never catching the killer. Pretty embarrassing especially if you have such a good clue of a confession letter.

I think there is a good chance the 1896 letter was from same author as saucy jack/dear boss. It just has the same feel, tone...even the handwriting was similar, enough for the police to warrant a comparison. I have letters from hell, and all the others are really bad copy cats. To me winters coming letter is only one that stands out as being possibly also authentic
Ye of little faith

Andrew Cook in 2009 engaged a handwriting expert to compare the writing of Bulling and Best. The result was that the expert concluded that Best was the most likely author of The Dear Boss letter.

With regards to Bests shenanigans here is an extract from a letter printed in the Star from one of the major shareholders in the newspaper in 1891

"Furthermore, Mr. Best's attempt to mislead Central News during the Whitechapel Murders should have led to an earlier termination of his association with the newspaper”

On a further note as a result of all of what the Star printed their sales sky rocketed way above any of their rivals. So clearly if it was someone with that motive in mind it clearly worked

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Ye of little faith

Andrew Cook in 2009 engaged a handwriting expert to compare the writing of Bulling and Best. The result was that the expert concluded that Best was the most likely author of The Dear Boss letter.

With regards to Bests shenanigans here is an extract from a letter printed in the Star from one of the major shareholders in the newspaper in 1891

"Furthermore, Mr. Best's attempt to mislead Central News during the Whitechapel Murders should have led to an earlier termination of his association with the newspaper”

On a further note as a result of all of what the Star printed their sales sky rocketed way above any of their rivals. So clearly if it was someone with that motive in mind it clearly worked

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Did best work for the star?
Why on earth would he send it to the CNA if he worked for another newspaper?
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Did best work for the star?
Why on earth would he send it to the CNA if he worked for another newspaper?
Best did work for the star

Whoever sent it to the CNA would have known it would have had maximum impact, and get more exposure than just sending it to one paper, and besides it would have been too obvious for a Star reporter to send it to his own paper.

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Best did work for the star

Whoever sent it to the CNA would have known it would have had maximum impact, and get more exposure than just sending it to one paper, and besides it would have been too obvious for a Star reporter to send it to his own paper.

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Yeah. Ok. I see your point.

Could you point the direction te the handwriting analysis you mentioned? I was under the impression that best, despite his claims, was pretty much ruled out as author?
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And your point is?
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Yeah. Ok. I see your point.

Could you point the direction te the handwriting analysis you mentioned? I was under the impression that best, despite his claims, was pretty much ruled out as author?
It was in Andrew Cooks Book "Jack the Ripper" 2009.

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