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Old 02-08-2018, 04:05 PM
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I have plenty of ideas on that score, don't worry. Re the severing of an ear, just imagine yourself doing it; perhaps you have already done so... to a rabbit or whatever, not a person! Hell, never mind a thin, floppy appendage like an ear - imagine cutting through a thick steak with a really sharp knife. Even cutting a steak takes no time at all. The killer had plenty of time to cut off both ears, no doubt about it. If he could afford the time to cut off the one ear (and the nose), he could afford the time to cut off the other ear, too.I won't answer that here, if you don't mind, because it'll turn into an Eddowes-only thread. Suffice to say I'm not ignoring anything, obvious or otherwise.I am not being stubborn. I have stated that it would have taken no time at all to cut off both ears and that the killer had plenty of time to do so, and I see no sensible reason to believe otherwise. None whatsoever. Two ears off... seconds, mate; mere seconds.

What was written in Dear Boss was NOT enacted in Mitre Square. What WAS enacted in Mitre Square was far, far worse than anything contained in Dear Boss, and none of this - NONE of it - was even hinted at in Saucy Jacky. Instead, the latter only mentions Stride's somewhat boring murder, almost certainly because the details of Eddowes' murder were not yet known. If they had been, any boastful killer - or hoaxer - worth his salt would have bragged about her murder, not Stride's. Instead, he says bugger all about her.People have a tendency to jump to conclusions, and are too easily impressed by "amazing coincidences" when they may well be nothing of the kind. Same thing goes for the contents of certain Ripper letters.
Thanks Sam

And with that well thought out and reasonable response I do believe we are at the just have disagree stage. I do see your points, just don’t agree with them.

And just to be clear, I keep an open mind on the letters and do NOT think they were definitely written by the killer. I’m actually just slightly above 50/50 they were.

Have a great night!
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:33 AM
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My pleasure, Abby.
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There was another letter very similar to Dear Boss, Saucy Jack and especially Moab and Midian that was written in october of 1889. Interestingly it was addressed to Albert Bachert, again, and denied claims (most likely to the Pinchin torso) just as M&M denied claims to the Whitehall torso.

Whitechapel, Oct. 11, 1889
Dear Boss,
I write you these few lines to let you know, as you are the boss of the vigilance committee, that the last job was not me. You might have known it was not me, for I would not have made such a botch of it. Never mind, young man; you can keep your lamps open for the 18th of October. I am on the job again. There's no blood knocking around or I would let you see some. Never mind; look out, old man, you're a brave sort. You thought you had me once. Yours in haste,
Jack the Ripper.


A side note about Bachert is another letter was received by him (Eastern Hotel POP letter) that the original was destroyed and due to Bacherts skills in engraving he transcribed the letter in similar handwriting.

Woodford Times (Essex)
Friday, 19 July 1889


LETTER FROM "THE RIPPER."

As a corroboration of the above theory, and justifying the action of the Thames police, a letter was received a few days ago by Mr. Albert Backert [Bachert], Whitechapel, as chairman of the vigilance committee, commencing: "Eastern Hotel, Pop-." And then thickly penning the words out. Mr. Backert states that he was urged to treat the matter as a practical joke; but in view of the writer "Jack the Ripper," threatening to re-commence operations about the middle of July, and Wednesday morning's murder, inquiries have been made, with the result that it has been discovered that there is an Eastern Hotel in the East India Dock-road, Poplar, which is within a stone's throw of the docks, and where a number of sailors put up. It is thought probable that the murderer may have been on a voyage during the interval between the Miller's-court murder and the one which on Wednesday renewed the horrors which have shocked the world.


The Spectator
July 27, 1889


As a preliminary, however, he tried to obtain from Baeckert a specimen of the handwriting in which the letter signed Jack the Ripper was written. Though he failed in this owing to the letter having been destroyed, Baeckert who was an engraver by trade and so was accustomed to imitate what he had seen reproduced for what it might be worth a specimen of the writing as he remembered it.
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There was another letter very similar to Dear Boss, Saucy Jack and especially Moab and Midian that was written in october of 1889. Interestingly it was addressed to Albert Bachert, again, and denied claims (most likely to the Pinchin torso) just as M&M denied claims to the Whitehall torso.

Whitechapel, Oct. 11, 1889
Dear Boss,
I write you these few lines to let you know, as you are the boss of the vigilance committee, that the last job was not me. You might have known it was not me, for I would not have made such a botch of it. Never mind, young man; you can keep your lamps open for the 18th of October. I am on the job again. There's no blood knocking around or I would let you see some. Never mind; look out, old man, you're a brave sort. You thought you had me once. Yours in haste,
Jack the Ripper.


A side note about Bachert is another letter was received by him (Eastern Hotel POP letter) that the original was destroyed and due to Bacherts skills in engraving he transcribed the letter in similar handwriting.

Woodford Times (Essex)
Friday, 19 July 1889


LETTER FROM "THE RIPPER."

As a corroboration of the above theory, and justifying the action of the Thames police, a letter was received a few days ago by Mr. Albert Backert [Bachert], Whitechapel, as chairman of the vigilance committee, commencing: "Eastern Hotel, Pop-." And then thickly penning the words out. Mr. Backert states that he was urged to treat the matter as a practical joke; but in view of the writer "Jack the Ripper," threatening to re-commence operations about the middle of July, and Wednesday morning's murder, inquiries have been made, with the result that it has been discovered that there is an Eastern Hotel in the East India Dock-road, Poplar, which is within a stone's throw of the docks, and where a number of sailors put up. It is thought probable that the murderer may have been on a voyage during the interval between the Miller's-court murder and the one which on Wednesday renewed the horrors which have shocked the world.


The Spectator
July 27, 1889


As a preliminary, however, he tried to obtain from Baeckert a specimen of the handwriting in which the letter signed Jack the Ripper was written. Though he failed in this owing to the letter having been destroyed, Baeckert who was an engraver by trade and so was accustomed to imitate what he had seen reproduced for what it might be worth a specimen of the writing as he remembered it.
Hi Jerry
wasn't backert also the guy that was coming up with all those dodgy stories about talking to a suspicious character in a hotel/pub? something like that?
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Hi Jerry
wasn't backert also the guy that was coming up with all those dodgy stories about talking to a suspicious character in a hotel/pub? something like that?

Abby,

Yes, the Three Nuns incident during the double event.
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Yes, the Three Nuns incident during the double event.
Thanks Jerry
this guy sounds like a glorified Packer to me. maybe justifying his existence as head of a vigilance committee
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Thanks Jerry
this guy sounds like a glorified Packer to me. maybe justifying his existence as head of a vigilance committee
That and heading up the Skeleton Army in Whitechapel.
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A fascinating post. Perhaps we should search for a dialect that uses 'keep back' as an expression - that would involve running strings through period publications
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