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Old 10-22-2010, 06:36 AM
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Correlation would be too difficult. Especially with the random nature of the wounds -- ie., double or triple cuts to same area....

Sorry, don't mind me... blah blah blah
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Hi!

I donīt know if someone already have posted this. But here are some PDF documents abut the Whitechapel murder victims neck wounds, practical pathology in the 19th century and forensic medicine in the 19th century.

Some of the documents are copyright Karyo Magellan and the documents about forensic medicine and practical pathology was written by J. DIXON MANN, M.D., F.R.C.P., and G. SIMS WOODHEAD, M.D., F.R.C.P.ED. Of course some of them are dead now but i still feel they deserve the credit!


Enjoy! And hope they are helpfull!

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Thank You Mattis! I am wrestling maps and the Old Bailey Online just now, but these have been moved to the top of the pile for reading! Dave
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Great! They are a very good read!
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Described by Dr. Bond as, "The sixth cervical vertebra had been sawn through in removing the head from the trunk." and the image. Dave
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Described by Dr. Bond as, "The lower limbs and pelvis had been removed, and the four lumbar vertebrae had been sawn through by a series of long, sweeping cuts. " and the image, with the vertebra marked 4 being the 4th Lumbar. Dave
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The first image is a contemporary press clipping showing a rendition of the torso. Of note in this image are the arm stubs.

We now turn to the medical description of arm removal as described by Dr. Bond, "The arms had been removed at the shoulder joints by several incisions, the cuts having apparently been made obliquely from above downwards, and then around the arm."

The next image shows the most efficient path (in blue) with and obligatory deviation (in red) to separate the joint proper.

This selection of paths is based on this comment from Dr. Hibberd,"The arm had apparently been separated after death.
[Coroner]Did the arm seem to have been separated easily? - The operation was performed by a person who knew what he was doing - not by an anatomist, but by a person who knew the joints. "

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Mary Kelly gets a lot of play as being done wrong, and she was. Why does this victim get no play? Red lines are points of severance. Dave
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Great thread btw dave!

Out of interest do you have the medical name for the "pressure marks" on Stride's shoulders, I tried to find it but couldn't, they were not bruises. Also wondering if anyone as made a drawing of the area of these pressure marks?
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I believe the modern vernacular is hemetoma. The vicorian nomenclature seems to be a less than defined thing. Dave
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