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Old 10-29-2009, 02:46 PM
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Whilst I am tempted by Phil Carter’s observation that “someone always knows something” this case has never resulted in anyone saying something definitive – whoever the perpetrator and however he met his end.

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Hi Aotolycus

Proof that the killer took the secret to the grave perhaps? That is he told no one, and left nothing to incriminate himself.

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Old 10-29-2009, 02:59 PM
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Like any other theory on the case, too much time has elapsed and too many of the players are gone for me to give definitive answers to some of these excellent questions. However, I can think of certain scenarios that would explain them.

So here’s an example, just for jolly:

Hutch’s suspicious behaviour is because he was sweet on MJK and keeping an eye out for her. He saw and recognised her last client. Not wishing to hang around while business was transacted, he went elsewhere. On his return he discovered the carnage and left pronto.

Furious with rage he tracked jack to a pub that he knew he frequented. As he emerged, he slit his throat and dumped him in the river.

Amongst other things this would explain:
Why he couldn’t claim the reward.
Why his statements were so inconsistent.
Why nobody talked.

My point is that, whatever happened, a nice, small scale, local solution may explain why the trail goes completely cold.

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Old 10-29-2009, 03:16 PM
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I know I'm being nit-picky here, but I'm about to go off to bed and I'm tired. When you bring up Hutch, just like Barnett I've always thought the guy has gotten a really bad rap for nothing. Indeed I believe he was "sweet on" Mary Jane and that that is why he followed her. But if the rest of your theory was to hold true- it is quite a walk from Whitechapel/Spitalfields to the Thames whilst carrying a dead body, isn't it?

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Old 10-29-2009, 03:48 PM
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Hello all, again...
This certainly is interesting, certainly not that wacky.. (we who have been in this game for a while have seen FAR worse!)
It is a truism to say that if someone knew something at the time, nothing came out.
Which made me think... on two counts.
1) That fact is HIGHLY unusual in itself, given the intensity and publicity of the case in the area, with all sorts of manners and means being tried. Both officially, and from "within". We must remember that the atmosphere created led to panic, fear and a very urgent need from the locals to see this man caught. To a higher degree perhaps than with other criminals.
2) WHY didnt the locals "know" anything? Could this lead us to ponder the possibilty is now stronger that an un-known.. a stranger to the area, is at the centre of all this. In my mind the thought becomes stronger when thinking of it from the "other way around".

Yes, Auto, I can certainly see where you are coming from. This certainly DOES open up retribution as a possibility.
However, upon weighing this up carefully, like Observer and others, I cannot possibly see that this could or would stay quiet. Even if it were a small group "in the know", someone, somewhere, would try to make gain of it, at some point. That an entire community stayed quiet forever, I find difficult to believe. I myself, have been told story after story from my OWN elderly relatives, when I was younger, all basically innocent, but talk they did. This affected the community of the East End as a whole for many many years afterwards.

I would really like to say...hmm you have cracked it with this, because it is different enough and stable enough to warrant investigation... but I fear that the power of the status as the "one to tell the truth" would be way too magnetic, given the financial rewards to be gained. Especially as time went on.

Has certainly got me thinking though...well done!

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I'm surprised that no one ever has mentioned that this is basically the plot of the 1931 German Film M- directed by Fritz Lang, with Peter Lorre.

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Have I solved it? Should I contact a publisher? No doubt you’ll let me know.

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I'm inclined to suspect that you probably have, but I doubt that we'll ever know for sure. Regardless, that quick standdown by the police, and the fact that all of Whitechapel seems to suddenly relax a few weeks after the Kelly murder is striking, to say the least.
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Why did JTR’s murders cease after the killing of MJK?

Why did so many police officers and their associates seem to start behaving as if they knew the threat has passed within a relatively short time and yet show no consistency in who they “named” as the Ripper?
Druitt

Love it or hate it, the Druitt theory has stood the test of time, and withstood the most exhaustive investigations of many a modern theorist.
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Old 02-10-2018, 08:51 AM
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Druitt

Love it or hate it, the Druitt theory has stood the test of time, and withstood the most exhaustive investigations of many a modern theorist.
Couldn’t agree more Jon. I think that Druitt has been far too easily dismissed as a candidate.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:44 PM
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Agreed. He was among the contemporary police officers' short list of suspects, and things seemed to settle down after his death.
But maybe I'm just a traditionalist...
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