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Iíve just started reading ĎIn The Wake Of The Butcherí by Badal on the Cleveland Torso Murders. It was recommended to me by Howard on the JTRForum. Would this be considered the difinitive book on that case? Itís the first one that Iíve read. I donít mean the first book that Iíve read by the way
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I'm not sure about that book...let me know what you find out as I don't have a book on the Cleveland torsos.

However, everything I have read about it, I'm fairly sure that Dr. F. Sweeney, who Elliot ness thought did it, is the guy.
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Long time no speak Iím sure that youíre right that Sugden would get the nod, my only criticism would be that he says that Chapman is the likeliest suspects?!
Doesnt mean that Sugden's book isn't the definitive text. It's definitely in the category of "essential reading", which few others can claim to be.
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If folks were asked to nominate a definitive Ripper book, I bet most would unhesitatingly say "Sugden"
Fair point Sam although as others have stated Chapman as the leading suspect counts against it.
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Hi HS
I'm not sure about that book...let me know what you find out as I don't have a book on the Cleveland torsos.

However, everything I have read about it, I'm fairly sure that Dr. F. Sweeney, who Elliot ness thought did it, is the guy.
Hi Abby,

Iíve only read around 80 pages but I had a skim through before I started (some nasty photographs by the way) and he says that itís not a Ďsolved ití book. But Sweeney is most prominent I think. Also at the beginning he mentions the prime suspect (Sweeney) was proven beyond all reasonable doubt. He also says that heís gained new info to show where the bodies were dismembered. Itís a good read so far. It averages around £15 on eBay (around $20 to you )
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Doesnt mean that Sugden's book isn't the definitive text. It's definitely in the category of "essential reading", which few others can claim to be.
No argument there Sam
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Hi Abby,

Iíve only read around 80 pages but I had a skim through before I started (some nasty photographs by the way) and he says that itís not a Ďsolved ití book. But Sweeney is most prominent I think. Also at the beginning he mentions the prime suspect (Sweeney) was proven beyond all reasonable doubt. He also says that heís gained new info to show where the bodies were dismembered. Itís a good read so far. It averages around £15 on eBay (around $20 to you )
Thanks hs.
Iím gonna get.

Also, responded to your zodiac post, not sure if you saw.
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Fair point Sam although as others have stated Chapman as the leading suspect counts against it.
Sugden's book is required reading for the content, not necessarily for the conclusions he drew.
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Hi HS
I'm not sure about that book...let me know what you find out as I don't have a book on the Cleveland torsos.

However, everything I have read about it, I'm fairly sure that Dr. F. Sweeney, who Elliot ness thought did it, is the guy.
I read it a few years back, and found it well worth my time. Be aware that the crime scene pictures, once having been glimpsed, cannot be unseen.
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I read it a few years back, and found it well worth my time. Be aware that the crime scene pictures, once having been glimpsed, cannot be unseen.
thanks for the recommendation...and the warning!
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I read it a few years back, and found it well worth my time. Be aware that the crime scene pictures, once having been glimpsed, cannot be unseen.
Hi Ginger,
This is an updated version by the way. When Howard Brown recommended it to me he told me specifically to get the updated one as the extra information is well worth it

Youíre right about the photos though. Donít read just before youíre about to sit down for the Sunday joint!
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